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Did anyone ever read a book titled 'The road to Rome' that showed a row of No4 rifles buried muzzle down at some roadside graves. One of which is a scopeless No4T. The chop for a sniper..............
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12-24-2010 05:57 PM
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That type of pantograph engraving appears on all sorts of "rare models" floating around UK
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No wonder I tell everyone I meet that this is the finest site for firearms information that exists.
The knowledge pool on this site is amazing.
I am not trying to hijack this thread, just have to give credit to the knowledgeable that post here.
Last edited by enfield303t; 02-04-2011 at 10:22 AM.
Reason: spelling
Why use a 50 pound bomb when a 500 pound bomb will do?
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So let me get this right. Post 1965 up to the early 70's or so, the UK MoD or the Ministry of Supply or some other agency decides that it'd be a good idea to see whether the No5 could be converted to 7.62mm. So they go out and but an Ishapore FTR'd No5 rifle to conduct their trials. Yes......., they go out and buy a clapped (?) Ishapore FTR'd rifle, knowing that we had vast stockpiles of the things in Ordnance stores................
Ok, they might have done............... But then, they decided to give it a ficticious X series to be getting on with. I know what X11 relates to and it's not a No5 conversion. But so that you don't think I am pulling the wool over your eves (.......... like the seller of this poure horse manure story.....). let me remind you that the X10 series was from 1959/60. So ask yourself, what were the Enfield factory experimentalor trials dept doing between 1060 and 1965? And it MUST have been 1965 because that's when the L8 magazine fitted here is codified to?
Some of you wise lads out there know that I have been sifting a load of the old trials paperwork files from the era and some have benefitted from that by snippets put up on this very forum. Indeed, I've even sent some of the declassified microfisches to the interested parties. But nowhere in these files have I ever seen anything that relates to an X11 No5 rifle.
On the other hand, I could be wrong. But if I had to offer an opinion to a Court, 'creative upgrading' isn't the phrase I'd be using. There will be a suitable phrase somewhere but I'll need to think about it!
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Thanks Peter. I know you said basically the same before, but I thought it a good idea to let everybody see the pics.
Patrick
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Maybe someone who is cleverer than wot I is can amalgamate these two threads.
What is a bit sad really is that the clowns who just zip in and mark these things up don't realise that somewhere out there in forum land, there will be someone who KNOWS what the X11 programme was............... I mean....., come on!
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The stock of the rifle from Herman Historica is Indian.
The rifles (200) were sold in Switzerland in the 80s. In this time he had lot of Indian Weapos (SMLE, FNHP and some 2A/2A1).
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Are you saying that this rifle is an INDIAN X11 prototype.........................? I think not
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I only say that a Swiss dealer sold them, the stock is Indian and the dealer had lot of other Indian weapons in this time. The FN-Pistols were made in India, and the SMLEs too. Some of the SMLEs werde made in the 70s. And the one I bought was a RFI No. 1 Mk. III built in 1913.
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