It would seem that all the information in the world regarding DP rifles is still not enough.
I knew he was working on the DeLisle replica, but I didn't know he was using DP'ed actions. If I had known, then perhaps I would not have given him such a positive review....
As an experiment I went to the source of all knowledge - Google, and typed in "303 headspace".
After 6 pages of references I couldn't find one to the forum in question.
There were however several references to sites with more knowledgable contributors, i.e. milsurps.com, amongst a couple of others.
IMHO the only thing you will achieve by jumping in on this sort of thing is increasing traffic to the site in question, which will in turn guide the ill informed googler to the only slightly more informed keyboard expert.
I posted this link over on GB and I reckon it pretty well sums up the situation.
I've read this thread and the other thread in it's entirety. I cannot offer anything to the technical base that is here but I CAN add to the discussion based on me being a NEW enfield 'collector' shooter.
I have searched the 'net' for anything I can find enfield.... Most of it when taken as a whole compared to what is encompassed here appears to be trash and opinion. I believe there is a saying/idiom you must; 'seperate the wheat from the chaffe.'.
I think that applies to most things related to firearms and the net as a whole. I for one would run as fast as I can if I ever saw a gunsmith measuring something with tape....dunno maybe it's me.
My trade requires me to do hard testing and measurements of devices we install, these measurements are based on factory guidelines and independent testing agencies etc to truly say what is spec and what is not for the material we install at commercial properties etc.
That is done with calibrated tools, calculators and such............I have seen it done in other non-standard ways that, well for one are shoddy and totally inaccurate. So seeing this on a professional level I am not shocked what I saw 'over there'
Given the above, please allow me to say that THIS forum has been invaluable to me in utilizing as much of collective knowledge here to apply to my new found love. ENFIELDS..... It is DIRECT, CONCISE and based on hard specifications...! What more can you ask?
No OPINION, NO HYPERBOLE, no talking out of the proverbial derrier !
So if you find you cannot educate, or, attempt to direct others to educate themselves, based on hard data (ie don't believe what I say, go read it for yourself and draw your own conclusion), don't give yourself so much grief......' you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink ' hold true in this situation......
Happy new year to all, I'm heading to the range with my Lithgow no4 and a 56 Faz no 4...time to punch paper..
Thanks ! NickJC North western hills
9-11-01 - In memory of Mom, Loli, Gerry, Donald & Vinny...
"I wonder what kind of handloads it can handle. 30,000 PSI in 45 caliber could be pretty potent."
Get out your CIP/SAAMI data and check that out for plausibility!
You guys will have your own opinions, but if that is the attitude of people on that forum, I wish to have nothing to do with them. If someone wants to make up a fake gun using condemned parts and then use a load that generates a pressure way above the proof pressure for that type of cartridge, then I am happy to live in a country where such an unproofed monstrosity would be illegal.
Other people's freedom to do as they wish with their property stops when they thereby endanger not only themselves. but anyone else who is unlucky enough to be in the vicinity when that pipe-bomb goes bang.
This thread has some important content that discusses the danger of internet information and advice. Clearly, you can't believe everything you read on every site. However, milsurps.com does not promote the criticism of other web sites nor the individual posters on them. I have edited several posts on this thread to remove content that directly identifies the web site and individuals while leaving the discussion intact. Please don't take offense to the editing as it is not intended to single any individual out.
I've just been directed to another one. A complete discussion thread were the out of round chamber destroys everyone's Winchester brass. The old Lee Enfields couldn't even pass a SAAMI test gauge when they were new.
This time the offending rifle (No4) actually suffered a case split longitudinally which blew the bolt head to pieces- but nobody on the firing line got a scratch.... There was no obstruction in the barrel, no damage to the bolt body. The firer screwed a new bolthead on and went back to using the rifle.
Well- This sounds awfully like the same story that got around a while back. In the end there was a pic of a failed case provided- claiming to be the one that destroyed (vapourised????) the bolthead. There isn't any pics with the 2011 version, but I did save the pic last time. As soon as I find it I'll add it here and talk about what was worked out and finally admitted to be the truth befind the story....
How to manufacture an "out of round" chamber??? A two flute "reamer" may produce a tri-lobal hole, A single point tool can possibly produce an elliptical hole. (Basically, the number of lobes is equal to the number of cutting edges plus one.) The typical reamer hes anywhere from 6 to 8 cutting edges, so making a measurably out of round chamber is HUGELY unlikely! The same for "banana shaped" chambers- reamers don't bend- they either break or make an enlarged entry zone...
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