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Going off at a tangent a bit - as we are want to do on this forum, the grat point of the No42 or 53 (I'm sure you meant the No42 instead of the big No22 sight Surpmil....) isn't necessarily centred in the tube as you'll see if you rotate a couple. This is because the grat or shooting line of the No 42/53 sight is adjustable on the gun frame to suit the BESA MG trajectory. These No42 and 53 sights are also a slightly larger diameter too, being 1.016(?) or so instead of 1.00". So you can use the tube to repair a No32 if you machine it down to the correct diameter. Which, most conveniently, just skims off the old No42/53 engraving too!
No, I was thinking of the No.22 Peter. Can't say how well centered they are on average, but the one I have is. Lots sticking out of either end of your rings makes them easy to turn.
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07-05-2012 01:34 AM
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Surely the No22 scope is the longer and larger diameter scope for the 6 and 17 pounder isn't it? Certainly the one on ours and in our store is. Anyway.....
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The C No.22 I've got here has a 1" tube Peter. The one in the steel case that vaguely resembles a German
stick grenade...
“There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”
Edward Bernays, 1928
Much changes, much remains the same.
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Test results
As promised, results of trip to the range. Rather hurried visit but the boresighting got it on paper immediately. Left target shows results of initial adjustments followed by three shots. Right target shows next 5 shots after removing scope/ bracket and re-installing. Where is the fifth hole?- I have no idea. Sweltering hot with rain and my eyeglasses were fogging. It appears this thing wants to shoot and I can't wait to get out for a longer session. I just want to emphasize that I didn't file the bracket until I had read and re-read all of Mr. Laidlers instructional postings (and, of course, his very enjoyable book). I would like to think that what I did here was crudely analogous to what a competent armorer might have done if presented with a No.4 T with missing bracket. In any case, fake or not, this rifle is (for now) my favorite! Shooting it has also convinced me I want a real one- and it is my twentieth anniversary next year.
Ridolpho
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Ridolpho what is that scope mounted on your rifle please?
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Also this rifle WAS a No.4 'T' but it was 'sporterized' which involved cutting / shortening barrel and removing front sight assembly so refurbishment is not an option. what I now have is a nice and accurate deer rifle>
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It still IS a No.4T, and refurbishment is an option providing the bobbed barrel is the only metal damage. Theres plenty of sportered No.4's floating around with just the wood cut up that would serve as a source for a replacement barrel. Personally, if it were mine I probably would'nt hesitate in sacrificing a complete No.4 to restore it, but thats just me.
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Newcastle: It's a Weaver K3 I got for about $100. Dates from around 1958 and is very clear with crossed wires.
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Milsurps is right! The tube of the No22 IS 2" but on both ours (UK made and not C-REL), it's only 1" at the brass ends while the centre steel section is noticeable narrower so the telescope bracket and cradle wouldn't grip it.
Don't forget Vintage Hunter, that re-barrelling a T isn't quite as straightforwards as a normal No4 because the new No4T barrell has got to collimate EXACTLY with the telescope both on the wall chart AND on the 25yard range AND when the sniper zeroes it in at 400 yards. That's why when we rebarrelled a T, we started the job with about 20 new barrels and took the barrel that aligned the closest, breeched up that one and then set about collimating the telescope to the axis of the tube THEN and on and on and on. As I said, not the job if you wanted to get away early in the afternoon!
Last edited by Peter Laidler; 07-11-2012 at 06:57 AM.
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Thank You to Peter Laidler For This Useful Post:
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I understand Peter. When I posted my response I had in mind an old thread in the restorers forum where a member restored an stuffed No.4T pretty much like this one. The point I was trying to get across, based on the outcome of that thread, is that restoration is possible but certainly not a project for everyone.
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