Please look at these Hand guard markings

[painter777]

Would everyone agree that these are real markings?
Remember the RMC letters are a bit different on the Q RMC stamp. You'll notice the biggest difference is the M.

A hint........ these are REAL :


Here's a picture I hope shows you the milling scars where the notch is cut away. These are all RMC but even if made for QHMC you'd see similiar milling since RMC made those HG's also.

Please study these 2 pictures, after supper I'll post a couple pictures of a QRMC and another RMC you need to look at closely. I think most will find the next pictures of a QRMC will match the above picture and the next RMC will match the one pictured above. They will match in milling style and markings.
But............ As Gomer said........ Surprise Surprise Surprise.

Thx for playing along,

Charlie-painter777

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[Tired Retired]

....Please study these 2 pictures, after supper I'll post a couple pictures of a QRMC and another RMC you need to look at closely....

Charlie, how long does it take you to have supper????????????????????

[painter777]

Sorry TR,
Had a long phone call.

OK,
These pictures are of 2 Hand guards (not the ones pictured in the opening post). One a RMC the other a QRMC. I think you'll see the different style M on the QRMC vs the RMC. These are pretty dirty, so I just wiped off the bottom rails with some lacquer thinner and wiped a light coat of oil on so I could get the markings to stand out for the pictures.
Now I know stamps on wood can vary in look, especially on wood this old, but in general all these markings and milling styles look correct to me.

Pay close attention. Later on Weds or Thursday night I'll show you something of interest on both of these...... Stay tuned !!

Cheers,
Charlie-painter777

The RMC,



The QRMC,




The Milling Marks on the Knotches,

[painter777]

Don't stay up too late TR, You'll never guess what's next

Nite Nite

CH-P777

[INLAND44]

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[painter777]

I-44,
LMAO !!
Are you guys ready for my new mystery????

CH-P777

[Bill Hollinger]

Bring it on Charlie!

[painter777]

Take a look at these RMC and Q-RMC Hand Guards, these are the same pictured above being described as the MYSTERY ONES..........

The markings shown in the pictures above




On the left RMC, On the right Q-RMC


Comparison Pictures
First one is a 2 Rivet Type II RMC on the left and the 4 Rivet RMC on the right


Here is a 2 Rivet Type II Q-RMC on the left and 4 Rivet Q-RMC on the right


Front View, On the left 4 Rivet RMC, on the right a RMC 2 Rivet Type II


Rear view, Left RMC 2 Rivet Type II, On the right the 4 Rivet RMC


Front View, Left 4 Rivet Q-RMC on the right Type II 2 Rivet Q-RMC



Rear View, Left 2 Rivet Type II Q-RMC, on the right 4 Rivet Q-RMC


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Can anyone figure this one out??
I plan to E-mail Marty at the CC and see if he can help. Maybe I can send these to him.

Charlie-painter777

P.S. Photobucket was dragging along, this has taken nearly 1-1/2hrs to post.

[Tired Retired]

Charlie,

The similarities and differences are probably explained as a combination of the numbers of machines and the number of stages used during the production. Where workstation #1 machine (and operator) is going to hold the blank in his right hand, the guy on the #2 workstation of the same stage is going to hold it in his left hand. They then both go into a bin for the next stage of cuts (enter the Right hand" vs "left hand" differences again).

Add in things like machine/tool/bit/sandbelt wear across time (and part replacements) and you will undoubtably find variations. This was all hand manufactured on machines 70 years ago. You only have 4 "time markers" identified here - RMC/Q-RMC/2 rivet/4-rivet. Its not like they are serialized and you can track the exact changes over time.

Remember that morse code operators can identify a message sender just by the individual characteristics of the sender's code pattern. I am sure you could also use the same technique to identify the craftsmen (and women) who made these hand guards - where the cut was started and shere it was stopped.

Today was are all used to products being EXACTLY like next one coming out of the plant - cars are exactly the same, TV's, computers, etc. With computer-controled production, any differences are so minute that we can not detect them.

You, my friend, are seeing individual craftsmanship at work. Enjoy it - you will never see it again in today's world!

Thanks for the challange!

Ed

[usgicollector]

The 4 rivets are not factory to my knowledge. I was under the impression that only Inland and Winchester had them on original guns.
I know that there were spare parts contract 4 rivet hanguards. I seem to recall a discussion about a handguard a while back that was a early one and it also had 4 rivets, BQ stated that it was a depot repaired guard. I would figure that is what these are also.
Dave