Inland carbine, worth

[johnboy]

I have a inland carbine ser number 49550xx has low wood with cross cannon car touches , hand guard is marked HI, flip sight, bolt is flat and blue, type one barrel band marked UI, org, finish, no import marks, sling cut has IO, I got this carbine in an estate sale ,I know you buy the gun and not the story but they said it belong to a person that worked at the inland plant in Dayton Ohio? When I got the carbine the stock was very dried out I rubed some linseed oil on stock, there are no dimples on rear sight, no type three bayo lug marks on barrel. This carbine looks like is was never issued or used I don,t think it has been even shot, barrel date is 1-44 General Motors . Could anybody tell me what they think the value would be if I would sell it,,, I don,t have any means to post pics, thanks in advance john

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[NRA]

a picture is worth a thousand guesses

[INLAND44]

Barrel date is good. If it's a carbine that was given to an employee and is still in that condition, it could have major value. You have to get some pics up on here before we can tell you what you have. If we agree it is what you say, then you should take it to a recognized carbine authority for appraisal. It could also be a restoration or most anything else.

[painter777]

Welcome,
See the STICKY at the top of the M1 M2 Forum page for The Carbine Club.
Halfway or so down the page you can print off a 'Data Sheet'
This will give us a better idea of your parts breakdown.
Try very hard to get some pictures.

Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777

Link Here:
The Carbine Club - A CMP Affiliated Organization

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Welcome to the forum.

In the sticky section it also goes over how to post pictures. We also have a search feature that might be able to answer some questions you might have.

But to get input from members, the pictures help the most.

Enjoy our forum.

Jim

[johnboy]

I have a data sheet but I am not a member of carbine club, Bolt flat blue 10 sideways 3 on left lug, extractor flat w.i. Inside, firing pin blue I-I marked, slide late 9/16 pi inside of slide outside a W trigger hous, milled rear bevel no, front bevel no, top width wide, mag catch M on face marked E.I. Left side markings hornz Inland, trigger markRRI, hammer mark IH blue sear no hole mark RI , barrel type one swivel UI , front sight mark N , rear sight S on left side , barrel has a P on it , hand guard 2 rivet HI underneath , I have one pic that I could send by email right now if tha would help. Thanks in advance john

[Bruce McAskill]

With the acceptance stamp and having a serial number it means the carbine would not have been given to someone who worked there. Once it was stamped it belong to the government and they were not giving them out to people other then those in the military. As you said buy the gun and not the story. An original in very good condition would be in the $1200 to $1500 range and maybe higher.

[INLAND44]

Johnboy, can you clarify the trigger housing? Is there a 'W' on the slide or did you mean the trigger housing is a 'W'? Is the housing marked on the RH side with the INLAND logo?

[johnboy]

Hi ,there is a w on the outside of the slide. An a PI with a line underneath it on the inside, trigger hous, just has a inland stamp on the right side there are no other marks on trigger hous, thanks

[painter777]

Johnboy,
The Inlands in this range were what are often called Pre-Transitional.
Your's having the still early Type IA barrel band, when just soon after yours was made Inland started using the Type II barrel band.
I have Inland 5,061,238, has a Type I flip rear sight that came from Underwood with a .U. on the sights leaf. Thought to be a all original carbine. Barrel dated 3-44... etc.
Point being I wouldn't consider selling for any prices you've been quoted so far here.
Your's if original I'd think would be more valuable than mine, because of just being pre-transitional.
Seems like at times 5 mil Inlands are everywhere.

Wanted you to see a recent sale on GB of a CMP sold rebuilt IBM, seen no mention in the description if the CMP paperwork came with it. But will say the seller was very upfront about the carbine.
This sold for nearly 3x what the CMP would have sold it for.
This carbine sold for $1800 plus shipping:
WWII IBM M1 Carbine, M-1, Exc : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

I was really surprised at the selling price!

Now here on GB I'd been watching a nice 18x,xxx Inland that was offered up for a opening bid of $1200. His pictures with flash (to Me) made the finish look re-parked. But upon a closer look you could see the pictures without flash showed otherwise. With the I cut Hi-wood stock and proper looking early features, I was sure this one would sell for higher dollars. I didn't take the time to research extensively, because as of right now I'm not buying as we are getting ready for some hefty funeral costs, but IMHO the carbine looked pretty legit. A 10 day auction ended without a single bid. Just parting this carbine out would have pulled a good profit at or near the $1200 opening bid. It hasn't been re-listed, here's the link to the now closed listing;
M1 carbine early Inland serial 18x,xxx excellent : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com


Sometimes I use completed auctions on GB to see what comps are selling for.
As of late to me..... they seem to be fetching more than less than 6 months ago, but as my 2 examples above (may) show, not always the case.

I understand your's was a estate purchase and very possible the guy did work at Inland. May have just wanted a carbine from where he had worked.
Many possibilities, could be a old NRA or DCM carbine he grabbed, or bought privately.

But to put a good ballpark value on it, good pictures are a must.

Your more than welcome to E-mail them to me and I'll post them here for you.
You can find my E-mail by clicking on my username (painter777) in the box on the left of any thread or posting I've left.
If by chance I'm called out of town for a pending funeral of my Fathers, I could always pass the pics along to another member to post for you.

About pics,
Early on, I really couldn't take decent pictures, let alone get them on a PC and post them on a forum. It was pricey at the time (because they were tired of me asking for their help) but had my kids get me going.

Best advice I can give you is find someone near that can take the pictures for you and open/load them in a PhotoBucket account. The account is free.
Getting a true ball park value on your carbine will be deeply dependant on good photos.
Many of us have been fooled by top notch restorations and Repro parts.
We don't wish this on you, but quite the opposite are pulling for you in hopes of seeing a nice original as issued 4,9 mil Inland.
That's why we are here.
Don't know where you live........ Might be a member closer to you than you think that can help, it's happened before.

At the least... Hire some local teenager to take a ton of pictures for you. Worked for me ;-)

Here is a link to a Photobucket album I have on my WRA 1,030,621
Way more pics than you'd need to start, but will give you a idea on what to look for.

WRA 1,030,621 Starting at the back of this file working towards the first page will show you from the time it was being torn down to final cleaned assembly:
Image hosting, free photo sharing video sharing at Photobucket

And for the heck of it a couple pictures of my 5,0 mil Inland
It's been packed with a coat of grease since 06 or 07.
I remember taking these pictures with our old Video camera. Next cleaning..... better pictures.
Don't under estimate that little flower (Macro) feature on Digital cameras. They'll bring out markings, color... etc that your eye ( Or at least mine) can't see without.

HTH
Charlie-Painter777