Late Nagoya Type 99

[Midmichigun]

Gents,
I too agree on the changes in the market place. Before, I was laughed at for picking up Nippon junk. Now prices and availability have gone up. I have seen stripped receivers (late war) go for as much as I paid for this one... it was a tossup on to buy and save or pass. Generally I view this hobby as not a money making one... more like a saving history... and learning a great deal.

If the receiver was drilled and tapped for a scope, I would generally be learning towards finishing as a sporter.

If you look at my original post, and rifle comparison to the new purchased item, the rifle on the bottom was missing a great deal of wood! So I am not afraid of tackling projects.

My only concern going forward is trying to repair the Bubba'd stock (and admittedly he did a fair job considering what he had to work with) to the proper finish. If you look at the area of the crossbolt, the metal is proud to the wood.


A lil bit of "pimp my shine" going on there too! Not exactly Urushi! The concern about the cross bolt, is that he didn't leave me much material to try and restore the military finish with.

I have seen "reproduction" buttplates, but don't think I will need one. As mine seems fine.


I do have options on the stock itself. I have some nice hard/ sugar maple and also American Walnut that I could use to machine out a new stock.



I also have some padauk laying around to fashion a new fore arm. I am vexed by the upper handguard, and may have to make a new one also.

I will be on the hunt for a late war nose cap, as this is a bit harder to make out of metal!

Thanks for your input folks!!

[mil-surp60]

No such thing as a "last ditch" Japanese rifle. There are substitute standard rifles which do not have all the bells and whistles that the earlier rifles have and as the war progresses, the bells got smaller and the whistles quieter but one thing that did not happen is a dangerous rifle. If it has the mum, it's as safe as any early rifle. Think you may want to reaserch that dude , seen a few LAST DITCH EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE blow up from lack of good steel and quality.

The confusion occurred most likely because Japan unlike most other nations, used training rifles which weren't real rifles. Well, a few of them were, old, worn out, etc but a lot of them were just put together out of whatever materials they could find and they looked like rifles. A GI not knowing that would take the training rifle home as a prize and attempt to shoot it which very probably would result in disaster.

The Arisaka action is one of the strongest ever made and that mum on the receiver means it was accepted into the military as a fully functional and safe rifle.

think you may want to reasearch that dude , i have seen quite a few LAST DITCH RIFLES AS EXACTLY AS THEY ARE CALLED,blow up for lack of good steel and quality near end of war ,they are exactly that , dangerous to fire at times have at it its your life man. I will stick to the real collectors that are safe to shoot made before 44, not one im afraid may blow my head off from the bolt coming off sheared off the cheap lousy quality steel receiver they were built on, your head man , however long you may not have it feeding a steady diet of full power loads in last ditchers.GOOD luck with that i wish you well.

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Gents,
I too agree on the changes in the market place. Before, I was laughed at for picking up Nippon junk. Now prices and availability have gone up. I have seen stripped receivers (late war) go for as much as I paid for this one... it was a tossup on to buy and save or pass. Generally I view this hobby as not a money making one... more like a saving history... and learning a great deal.

If the receiver was drilled and tapped for a scope, I would generally be learning towards finishing as a sporter.

If you look at my original post, and rifle comparison to the new purchased item, the rifle on the bottom was missing a great deal of wood! So I am not afraid of tackling projects.

My only concern going forward is trying to repair the Bubba'd stock (and admittedly he did a fair job considering what he had to work with) to the proper finish. If you look at the area of the crossbolt, the metal is proud to the wood.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...64c2dd50-1.jpg

A lil bit of "pimp my shine" going on there too! Not exactly Urushi! The concern about the cross bolt, is that he didn't leave me much material to try and restore the military finish with.

I have seen "reproduction" buttplates, but don't think I will need one. As mine seems fine.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...66e60324-1.jpg

I do have options on the stock itself. I have some nice hard/ sugar maple and also American Walnut that I could use to machine out a new stock.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...4f779253-1.jpg

I also have some padauk laying around to fashion a new fore arm. I am vexed by the upper handguard, and may have to make a new one also.

I will be on the hunt for a late war nose cap, as this is a bit harder to make out of metal!

Thanks for your input folks!!

I have a 3 screw bayo lug ill sell ya for the type 99 you want it. with the nose cap. Also have a few steel buttplates.

[Aragorn243]

think you may want to reasearch that dude , i have seen quite a few LAST DITCH RIFLES AS EXACTLY AS THEY ARE CALLED,blow up for lack of good steel and quality near end of war ,they are exactly that , dangerous to fire at times have at it its your life man. I will stick to the real collectors that are safe to shoot made before 44, not one im afraid may blow my head off from the bolt coming off sheared off the cheap lousy quality steel receiver they were built on, your head man , however long you may not have it feeding a steady diet of full power loads in last ditchers.GOOD luck with that i wish you well.

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I have a 3 screw bayo lug ill sell ya for the type 99 you want it. with the nose cap. Also have a few steel buttplates.

I've done the research but I would LOVE to see some evidence of your personal experiences. Especially since they go against all other extensive research on these rifles. These have been extensively tested and found nearly impossible to blow up. That is ANY rifle upon which the mum was applied. These are actual SERVICE rifles.

I think you confuse training rifles with actual service rifles. They are not the same thing. If you don't want the rifles, leaves more for thsoe of us that do.

"Last Ditch" is a term invented by people here in the civilian world. Doesn't exist as an actual term.

I suggest YOU do some research on the subject. Training rifles were never intended to be fired with live ammunition, a rifle with a mum on it was.

[Salt Flat]

Midmich, What series is this? I can't really see the mark. Salt Flat

[Midmichigun]

Midmich, What series is this? I can't really see the mark. Salt Flat

Salt,
I am terrible on figuring out what series ANY of my rifles are marked as. Guess I am blind in one eye.. Can't see out of the other... I will update with a photo when I get home!

[Midmichigun]

Salt,
Is this a Series 40?

[mil-surp60]

Salt,
Is this a Series 40?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...97c313be-1.jpg

How long you been collecting arisakas there dude to say you never saw a three screw early model bayo lug ,well here is one i have for sale, 1 long screw in front two small screws in back ,3 screw early model bayo lug for the type 99 well ya seen one now.

[mil-surp60]

I've done the research but I would LOVE to see some evidence of your personal experiences. Especially since they go against all other extensive research on these rifles. These have been extensively tested and found nearly impossible to blow up. That is ANY rifle upon which the mum was applied. These are actual SERVICE rifles.

I think you confuse training rifles with actual service rifles. They are not the same thing. If you don't want the rifles, leaves more for thsoe of us that do.

"Last Ditch" is a term invented by people here in the civilian world. Doesn't exist as an actual term.

I suggest YOU do some research on the subject. Training rifles were never intended to be fired with live ammunition, a rifle with a mum on it was.

Again your ignorance of the arisakas is evident, the last ditchers had weak steel ,weak welds, and are junk, i would not pay 50 bucks for 1 , i have had several in my hands and laughed at the junk quality and how dangerous they look ,keep shooting em man you may get hit in head with the bolt and if you survive comeback to reality , i would not fire one if you piad me too JMO now i asked to just agree to disagree but you want to keep showing you sure do not know much about those last ditch junkers , not trainng rifles they threw everything they had in last yr of war in feild, quality was drastically reduced as was the quality and strength of the steel.,i have seen them straight out of ww2 pacific theatre blown up and dangerous to even fire, even better my uncle fought against them, and brought two early kokuras home, which i now own, and saw many blown up last ditch rifles on iwo jima and okinawa,so again you are crazy to even fire one read up dude , but hey your life have at it, ill stick with the early models i know wont kill me or someone next to me ,my opinion and nothing you can say will change it they are junk. Known fact, amd you are either very brave or very stupid to fire one ever. most all are dangerous to fire, the steel was not near as strong on those last ditch clunkers, i know what a training rifle is, do you?this discussion is over you shoot em ill never.Just agree to disagree and fire all those last ditchers you want man ill never do it.

[Midmichigun]

How long you been collecting arisakas there dude to say you never saw a three screw early model bayo lug ,well here is one i have for sale, 1 long screw in front two small screws in back ,3 screw early model bayo lug for the type 99 well ya seen one now.

LOL!!
Ok... I get it Mil.. I thought you were meaning 3 physical holes... side by side by side. I see what you refer to now. So far I haven't taken any of my 99's that far apart to observe what you just showed me!! Thanks!

[mil-surp60]

How long you been collecting arisakas there dude to say you never saw a three screw early model bayo lug ,well here is one i have for sale, 1 long screw in front two small screws in back ,3 screw early model bayo lug for the type 99 well ya seen one now.

I know these rifles like the back of my hand and own 3 of them so there are three screw model bayo lugs , and two screw models, the two screws started coming along when they had to cut back on materials and cost and btw a lot of the last ditch rifles which is what they are called, had stamped steel parts not like the earley safe ones which were milled, amd they did not do any torture tests on last ditchers did not need to, they allready knew they wer sub quality in comparison , you shoot those old clunkers not me man. very weak, very junkie, and very dangerous to the shooter most times than not.

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LOL!!
Ok... I get it Mil.. I thought you were meaning 3 physical holes... side by side by side. I see what you refer to now. So far I haven't taken any of my 99's that far apart to observe what you just showed me!! Thanks!

Well i tried to tell you i know these rifles inside and out and every model ever made of them and own 3, so i have been into many of them.to every little spring and part.There are so many variantions of them i could go on for hours but last ditchers wer called that for a reason, japan wa sat the end of its ability to produce steel and the parts as the factories were all fire bombed quality got worse and worse as 1944 went on untill they were damn near single shot throw aways bye the time we landed on okinawa like my uncle with the 2nd marine div. They found hundred of jap soldiers clinging to their cheaply made crude last ditch rifles with the back of their heads blown off by the bolts.So again i say , research man you are wrong.And hope you do not kill ya self firing those last ditch attempt rifles.