M1D on Auction Arms

[rotorwing70]

Mack...

Thank you for the clarification.



Your point is well taken, but I was simply suggesting that original sights -- on an "all original" rifle produced in 1944-1945 -- would hardly be the post-war sights, T105E1(?) would they?

Ben Hartley

Ben you have missed the point altogether. The seller presented the rifle as an original as converted M1D. Though authorized in September 1944 as a substitute standard for the M1C, to my knowledge no M1Ds, other than trial models, were produced during WWII. Incidentally Duff agrees. I have never seen or documented a papered M1D with a barrel date earlier than mid-1951. Most are 1952. So the point is, the receiver was manufactured 1944 and if indeed as converted, the M1D in question would most certainly have had the "later" sights installed, would have a barrel, with unique part number, dated post mid-1951 and various other "characteristics" I won't go into. Any discussion about the original configuration of the receiver, as manufactured in 1944, is moot if indeed the rifle in question is an "original as converted M1D".

[rotorwing70]

So if I understand your post. Everyone is correct with their observations, but none of us are qualified to say so.

Devil Dog

Please realize that this comment is not directed at you, but again a general malice I am seeing on this forum and other forums.

First off, to put it bluntly, not all or even the majority of the information in the early posts on this thread are accurate or supportable by actual hard research or documentation. I’m sorry but "I read it somewhere" or "Joe Blow said" just does not pass muster. There was a vast archive of intelligent analysis and supportable data generated on the M1Ds on the old forum that put in question a lot of the prior thoughts on the history of the M1D. Alas it is lost. Frankly, it bothers me that now there is a "new" generation of self-proclaimed Garand experts whose most evident qualifications are "I read the book". The books are a great place to start the long road to realizing that there are few "facts" when it comes to the Garand that have not changed over the years.

[MGMike]

Rotorwing said it all.

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