Questions on a Standard Products

[STU1]

Bruce, i'll have to dig out the data sheet on that particular rifle but if memory serves me correct it was a BE-B but i could have it confused with the Bavarian SP as well; Oct 44 for the manufacture timeframe. dnikkor thanks, it has a type 1 band.

[dnikkor]

Stu when was your carbine made? I ask as Standard Products didn't get the BE-B trigger housings till after 01-25-44 when requested from IBM. Riesch lists the ST marked housings as being used first.

Hi Bruce, I don't have Riesch's book yet (should be under the xmas tree). When did he say SP started using ST trigger housings? War Baby says they started 1/15/44.

The Standard Products I already have has a BE-B housing. Its serial #209199x was supposedly made in Sept. '43 according to some of the knowledgeable folks here. (Scott & Duff points more to Oct or Nov. '43, which would be nice since it has an Underwood barrel dated 11/43)

Standard Products seem to gravitate towards me. My first carbine was a SP with serial #212099x I bought on Gunbroker and the same sources said it was from late Dec. '43 though Ruth & Duff suggests real early Jan. '44. Shortly after getting this one, I took it to a local gunsmith to be checked out. Another man was there to pick up his SP he inherited from his father-in-law. His was vastly nicer than mine and lived in a great Winchester stock. It most likely was a DCM gun. Mine was pretty worn inside & out and in a M2 stock (a nice one though). Long story short, I paid more than I wanted to, but I bought his and then sold mine. Now an even nicer one may drop in my lap in WWII configuration (barring rebuild mark & some newer non-SP parts).

Do you (or anybody else) have a good guesstimate on manufacturing dates for #209502x & #209199x? Thanks.

[STU1]

just checked my picture files and found a closer shot of the TH, it is marked ST the rifle has a Marlin barrel (undated) had it confused with the Bavarian 21588XX that has a 1-44 Underwood barrel and BE-B TH, also had SP 21287XX my first carbine also with a 12-43 dated I.B.M. barrel, 217XXXX with a Underwood 2-44 barrel BE-B TH and a factory chisel staked squared S flip rear sight. the best i can gather is that 20961XX was made in Sept/Oct of 43 the chart in the Duff/Ruth book is/was a work in progress.

[Loy Hamilton]

Wow, 36 numbers off from mine! That is the closest I've heard of. Thanks

I have Standard Products 2046495 with a 7-44 Underwood barrel.

Is Underwood a "standard" Standard Products barrel? and when would it
have been made?

thanks,

Loy

[dnikkor]

I have Standard Products 2046495 with a 7-44 Underwood barrel.

Is Underwood a "standard" Standard Products barrel? and when would it
have been made?

thanks,

Loy

According to Ruth/Duff, probably Oct. '43. Somebody else might have a better idea. Your barrel would have to be a replacement. SP used a lot of Underwood barrels and thought very highly of them.

[STU1]

I have Standard Products 2046495 with a 7-44 Underwood barrel.

Is Underwood a "standard" Standard Products barrel? and when would it
have been made?

thanks,

Loy

you have a replacement barrel on your rifle that date is to late for your time frame of manufacture.

[dnikkor]

Well, I learned a valuable lesson....He who snoozes, looses.
Yes, bought out from under me. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that the SOB who beat me paid nearly $200 more than I could have bought it for. Valuable lesson, but a painful one too. Hope it got a nice home.

[Bruce McAskill]

dnikkor, The two carbines in the 2.09 range would have a date of about November 1943.

[dnikkor]

dnikkor, The two carbines in the 2.09 range would have a date of about November 1943.

You brightened my day. If correct, that means my SP serial #212099x could actually have the original barrel, an Underwood dated 11/43. Thanks, I needed that.

[dnikkor]

I don't know why Standard Products carbines are attracted to me. No sooner than I snooze & loose a real nice one, I run across another one with many if not all early features.....correct flip sight, Type 1 band, push safety AND stock with no rebuild mark. There is a ghost of a cartouche on the right and a strong SH-B in the slingwell. I didn't get a chance to tear into it today, but I will tomorrow. This could really be one of those proverbial "duffle-bag carbines".

The downside? Lots of finish wear. Stock may have been partially sanded and varnished. The barely readable 12/43 dated Underwood barrel has a MW of 2, which ain't bad. Basically this is a rack grade SP, most likely with all the original correct parts and no providence to prove its heritage, and it sure has a patina that is very long in the making. Asking $900, will sell for $700.

This might be a no-brainer to everybody here, but $700 is not a small sum of money this time of the year following a major car repair and the purchase of a Bavarian Rural Police w/flip.

Anybody see any reason (other than that pesky money thing) I shouldn't jump on this like dirty on a hog?