Thankyou Peter , but I have never seen any advertised in Franceicon ! I suspect a surplus SA80 could be a tad pricey for someone on a shoestring budget like me . I was saving my centimes for an L1A1 which seem quite available at the moment , though the sub-calibre kits are apparently somewhere in the hens teeth dept.. My immediate problem is trying to extricate my .455 MkV Webley out of Bisley without spending more than it's worth . All things have to await their turn .