NO4 T Accuracy on another forum....link

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Someone sent me this link...

http://www.snipercentral.com/no4mk1t.htm

I am interested in the line:..." but it is an accepted fact that the No4 Mk1(T) rifles actually get more accurate the further you go out. You might shoot 3 MOA at 100 meters, but it will likely drop to around 1.5 MOA at 600 meters."

Thoughts?...

Well, take this with a grain of salt and it's just my two cents based upon my wife's and my own personal experience shooting the No.4(T) sniper rifles extensively, all the way out to 600 meters, or roughly 660 yards.

I'm not exactly sure what point the author is trying to make ...

The principles of long range shooting haven't changed much but the inherent differences in old "full wood" milsurp snipers versus modern "free floating barrel" sniper rifles have. The latter will easily shoot 1 MoA at 600 meters all day and in fact, our personal modern sniper rifles shoot sub 1 MoA at 600 meters, knocking down and nailing the thin necks of bowling pins consistently shot after shot. My wife got bored after 20 or so without missing...

The math is simple …

1 MoA at 100 yards = 1", so 3 MoA at 100 yards = 3" group ...
1 MoA at 600 yards = 6", so 1.5 MoA at 600 yards = 9" group ...

Sub-MoA at 600 yards = less than a 6" group

My wife's experience shooting all her No.4(T)'s from 100 meters to 600 meters, was that accuracy decreased and size of grouping increased in greater proportion as the distance to the target increased, plus after the 2nd round she fired from a pre-zeroed "cold bore", the accuracy went right in the toilet with barrel heating, which I presume was due to a loss of a tuned barrel harmonics with the barrel pressing against the military bedded wood. If she let it cool down to a "cold bore" again and repeated the shot, it was a again accurate for one or two rounds. This pattern seemed to exist across all her No.4(T)'s and in our opinion, I think any No.4(T) would be awesome if it shot 3 MoA (18" group) at 600 yards, allowing for cool down between shots.

Heat issues haven't been a problem on her (and my own) custom built sniper rifles, which of course have a free floating tuned barrels free floating from receiver to muzzle brake.

Here's a thread with a range report and pics on both of our Custom Built by Milcun (Keith Cunningham) .308 Sniper Rifles

Check out this video of her shooting at 1,000 meters with her custom built .308 sniper rifle.

First round hit at 1,000 Meters (click here)

Also, here's a few related range videos in The Screening Room (click here).

WWII Milsurp Sniper Rifles at 400 Meters (click here)

Milsurp Sniper Rifles at 500 Meters (click here)

This is some fun video, which I thought many collectors here would enjoy. It shows my wife and I, along with our friend Scott, shooting various sniper rifles from our personal collections, including a No.4(T) Turn up the volume so you can hear the sound of those plates dropping! Notice the sound delay between the time you see the plate fall, until you hear the metal PING sound return back up range to the shooter's position.

Engaging 12" Steel Plates and Figure 11 (Man) Targets at 400 and 500 Meters.

1944/45 British Enfield No.4(T) .303
1942 Russian 91/30 Mosin-Nagant 7.62x54r
1908 Swedish m/41b 6.5mm
Springfield M1A National Match 7.62x51
1909 Argentine Mauser 7.65x53

Pics extracted from video...

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Hope this long post somehow helps answer your question …

Regards,
Doug

Edit: By the way, just for clarity, I never bothered to read the thread you linked to, just responded to your single line question ...