thanks for your reply Jim I am going Monday to a couple gunsmith in town this ought to be interesting !!! one thing yet don't laugh I do not even own a cell phone al all so cannot even take pictures of it wish I could I spent the last 15 years on a computer designing spec equip so I try to stay away for all that a while back I had my son take some pic with his phone and they did not come out good at all I could have used my old poloroid and done better than that thanks again thanks for your help bill