It's been over a year and a half on this project but today I was at the auction from hell and they had a Vetterli with the cleaning rod. They also had a nice one in the original caliber that I hoped to get but decided I didn't need it that bad when it started pushing $400. I hadn't even looked at the Carcano other than seeing the cleaning rod. Told my wife I'd go $50 on it for the rod and got it for $40. Looked at it after the win and thought it looked nicer than the one I have and when I got it home, it is. So this one is going to replace the other in my collection. Weird how things work out. Probably helped that the flyer from the auction house said "Do not fire this rifle under any condition, even using original surplus ammo" I'm sure that scared everyone else off.