I got lucky at a Raleigh NC gun show last fall. I had seen a 1880 hunting knife for several shows and ask the dealer if I could look at it again but that I could not afford it. He said no one had offered a price or haggled with him, the price was 750 dollars, so I said $400 he said make it 425 and it is yours. So I now have a really nice 1880 hunting knife with a very good scabbard.