Been chatting with a guy on another forum that has a clamp on, and come to find out we're not to far apart. were going to meet this weekend and I'm gona try his.So I guess I'll wait till after that to decide. The reason I don't like them is the only one Ive ever seen was a cheap sheet mettle piece of #@*$. But I'll give it a chance,there probally not all the same.