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    Thanks Jim, mine is marked at the 12:00 position, under the rear hand guard.

    Well, from what I can gather, all of the ducks are where they should be and won't feel bad when I show it to my buddies and say I'm 95% certain it's original and authentic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGaynor View Post
    My M1D's Barrel is marked as follows:
    Barrel – Under rear hand guard app. 3.5 inches in front of receiver ring (12 o’clock)
    Drawing Number D7312555 A178B

    Symbol - Ordnance Escutcheon (crossed cannons encircled by belt) M M


    Barrel Date: at 3 o’clock viewed from chamber (viewable with bolt retracted)

    S-A – 10-52

    Letter “P” lying on its side

    My understanding is that the M1D Barrel Assembly (D7312555 bbl w/ scope base) was marked in the majority of cases at 12 O'clock under the rear handguard.

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    Thanks Jim, I appologize for presenting information that wasn't 100% correct. I thought most of the M1D's were marked on the side.
    Here is a picture from Mr. Canfields book of a late Fall, early Winter dated barrel marked at 3:00 like mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUTS View Post
    Thanks Jim, I appologize for presenting information that wasn't 100% correct. I thought most of the M1D's were marked on the side.
    Here is a picture from Mr. Canfields book of a late Fall, early Winter dated barrel marked at 3:00 like mine.
    NP Guts, I misspoke as well. The M1d "Barrel" has a drawing no. of D7132555. The Barrel Assembly which includes the Barrel, Fixed Base(C7312541) and Pin(B7312545) is described under the over all drawing no. C7312553. This number appears in publications but is not stamped on weapons.

    The caption in Mr. Canfield's book is not quite right. The leading character in an ordnance drawing number identifies only the size of the sheet of paper that the draftsman used - "A", "B", "C", "D" and so on. Ultimately the finished approved drawing will have to be filed somewhere. If you know the drawing number you will have an idea where to start looking (i.e. the "big cabinet" or the "little one").

    Both the M1C components and the M1D components that are exclusive to the sniper rifles (scope mounts, cheekpad, handguard etc.) have drawings in the "731nnnn" series. Depending on the size of the item being drawn the leading letter can and does change.

    It would have been simpler and more direct if Mr Canfield had simply said that Drawing number D7312555 is the number for an M1D barrel.

    Since the M1C uses a regular M1icon barrel its is covered by drawing number D35448.

    Incidentally the core of the drawing numbers went on to become the basis of the stock numbers used for requistioning and supply purposes during WW2 until the migration to the NSN system.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    Thanks Jim, it's nice to communicate with knowledgeable people. I think that the zeal in my attempt to find out information on the M1D caused me to absorb without question some of the (mis)information I came across. I should know better than to spout facts I'm not sure about. I just recently purchased my M1D and today we finally plowed the road to our range so I may get to shoot it tommorow. I can't wait to ring the 1000yard gong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John R. View Post
    I saw those NORWEGIAN M1D's at CenturyInternational's Ste Laurent Quebec Warehouse a few days after they arrived in early 1980.
    Manny W the General Manager was showing me around before we went out for lunch and told me that they had bought them at a Norwegianicon Gov't AUCTION(sealed bids) and they were still in the ORIGINAL SPRINGFIELD ARSENAL CRATES complete with the NATO US Flag and hands stickers etc as well as the NSN and NATO 1005-xxxx etc stock numbers.
    You got the RIFLE,web sling,yellow capped clear plastic oiler thong kit and M2 flash hider(mostly "Heavy" Harts with the odd SA)as well as the ORIGINAL MRT 3-52 leather cheek rest.
    Grease proof greyish/greenish coloured sticker in Norwegian right in front of your eye below the lip of the receiver heels.I took it off and binned it.
    Manny wasn't happy because Mike Kokin of Sherwood Int'l in Northridge had outbid Century for the scopes,mounts and web cases for them so they were selling the rifles without the scopes.
    I paid $395(less 20 pct) for mine and bought a scope from Mike Kokin in 1983.Still have the rifle but sold the scope and mount when I was able to replace it with a DCM Sale ONE INCH Weaver K4-60B in 1989.I really dislike the M84 scopes but the Weavers are very much okay.
    My rifle is a SA with a receiver in the 2.5 million range and all of those Century Rifles were RIGHTEOUS with the crates ALL STENCILLED US Rifle Cal.30 M1D(Sniper's) or whatever it was.
    Would be nice to see a few more.JR

    Here are some pics of my Norwegian M1D. Enjoy.

    It was purchased from the estate of the original owner who Purchased it from Lever Arms in Nov. Of 1981 (I have the bill of sale).


    Norwegian M1D Photos by randonthoughts | Photobucket
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    Quote Originally Posted by John R. View Post
    Manny wasn't happy because Mike Kokin of Sherwood Int'l in Northridge had outbid Century for the scopes,mounts and web cases for them so they were selling the rifles without the scopes.
    I remember that John. All those rifles came in as new but without optics...
    Regards, Jim

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    There were some Dan M1Ds ,scope marked with Danishicon crest. Here in the states CMPicon is the way to go for M1D. Won,t be long they will be sold out. Scott Duff FAQ: The M1D Sniper Rifle

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep View Post
    There were some Dan M1Ds ,scope marked with Danishicon crest. Here in the states CMPicon is the way to go for M1D. Won,t be long they will be sold out. Scott Duff FAQ: The M1D Sniper Rifle
    Jeep is the link you posted a web page? If so what is it so I can find it please. Thanks

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    I have a 1944 M1D Garand Sniper Rifle (click here for photo montage) in my personal collection..

    (Mfg by Springfield in March 1944)
    c/w Dutch M84 (2.5x) Scope Serial # 25827

    Re-barreled in June 1952 "SA-6-52" with
    correct M1D sniper barrel "-D73112555 A155B-"

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