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Were any other firearms designed to accept LE magazines?
This is probably a strange question so I will explain the reason. Under the Criminal Code of Canada
- Regulations prescribing certain firearms etc - Former cartridge Control Regulations you will find an exemption which allows people to possess the magazine which was manufactured or designed for the Lee Enfield.
3. (1) Any cartridge magazine (is prohibited)
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada, No
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun, No
(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, No
(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols, No
(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or No
(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or No
(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada. No
(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that
(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,
(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1
(Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle; Yes - Semi, therefore it is included.
So as you can see, the Lee Enfield Magazine (as I know it) was not designed or manufactured for:
A semi-auto handgun
A Semi Auto Rifle
An Automatic firearm
An M 10 etc
A Partisan Avenger auto pistol or
An UZI
So Why is it included in this list of exemptions unless there was another firearm designed to hold that magazine. Bolt actions do not meet the criteria.
I hope this isn't an inappropriate question for this area and I don't mean to alienate any non Canadians by asking a specific Canadian law question.
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I believe SMLE mags fit the prototype Vickers-Berthier machine gun as well as the various types of SMLE conversion - Charlton, etc.
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Doesn't the 2A and 2A1 hold more than 10 rounds?
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Originally Posted by
bradtx
Doesn't the 2A and 2A1 hold more than 10 rounds?
Brad
I was going to post the same - but - he states that bolt actions are not covered in this criteria.
Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...
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I readily admit that I might be missing something here but i have been curious about this regulation for a while. I recognize that the regulation is specifically addressing the magazine rather than the firearm and the firearm along with a 10 shot mag does not contravene any laws in Canada
my conclusion must be that the mag may have fit another weapon that fell into the semi or fully auto category however, the fact that the mag was designed and manufactured to fit millions of non prohibited Lee Enfields, that an exemption was made. Most laws and regulations do not tell you what you can do, only what you cannot however, perhaps they made an exception for the lee enfield to explain that it was not a prohibited mag so people would stop asking if their mag was legal (that's a stretch).
I am not sure where the 2A and 2A1 fit into the question.
There are some more exemptions including the charlton rifle and various other drum, snail and other strip type mags:
(b) is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
(i) is commonly known as the Charlton Rifle,
(ii) is commonly known as the Farquhar-Hill Rifle, or
(iii) is commonly known as the Huot Automatic Rifle;
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The twenty round and ten round SMLE magazines definately fit the Vickers Berthier
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The twenty round and ten round SMLE magazines definately fit the Vickers Berthier
Thanks very much. That must be the reason that a seemingly non prohibited magazine needed an exemption.....because they forgot to mention that it is also compatible with a machine gun!
Thanks again, that answers that.
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Originally Posted by
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Doesn't the 2A and 2A1 hold more than 10 rounds?
Brad
Although I can't check my Ishapore 2A right now (I'm away from home), I'm pretty sure its mag only holds 10 rounds.
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Although I can't check my Ishapore 2A right now (I'm away from home), I'm pretty sure its mag only holds 10 rounds.
Donzi
The original Ishapore mags hold 12 rounds, the 'repro' ones (Promag etc) only hold 10 rounds.
Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...
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