Talk about a crime using a gun...

[INLAND44]

Jeez: you guys sure are good, being able to measure that barrel off a computer screen. So, I decided to do it too. I came up with a barrel length of 17.25", about 1/2" shorter than original. I used the installed length of handguard as the constant and measured it on my 17" flat screen with my trusty old K&E engineer's scale. I used my Inland as the standard, so all I had to do was measure the real handguard and the exposed barrel including the permanently-attached muzzle device.

To me, the real crime is the starting price. I'm always looking for a shooter because the cartridge is so perfect for home defense, but that's a $350 carbine. And what the heck is that rear sight?

[ChipS]

The IBM receiver looks original and mint. I don't notice many IBM receivers with such heavy, crisp markings. Maybe not a crime, but if the rest of that IBM was as good as the receiver looks I'm thinking possibly an "immoral and un-natural act".

[Tired Retired]

..... I'm thinking possibly an "immoral and un-natural act".

ok, so do we start a national "Gun Offenders Registry" where people who commit immoral and un-natural acts upon poor, victimized guns get listed for life? Hey, I kinda like that - I could check the Registry and see if any of them are living in my neighborhood!!! Then I would know if it would be safe to take my guns out to play at in the yard!!!!

[mpd1978]

Look at it this way-As people continue to deface and alter collectable arms, the more valuable the good ones that we have become. So maybe they are doing us a favor! Just look how many people have altered USGI .45's over the years, making bullseye guns and shooters out of them, thats the reason the good ones are very expensive.

[INLAND44]

I hear that! If that carbine is worth $899, my Inland must be worth $1500! In truth, as a rebuild, I probably couldn't get half of that.

[rlex]

Crime against nature....

[jmoore]

Well, if it was $350 and the receiver WAS very nice and not refinished too much, one could always pull the receiver and slap on something else less desirable, AND then have the start of an expensive restoration project...

Or not.

[jdmcomp]

"plus they didn't use an under folder stock"

I do believe you will find that at least an experimental stock of the under folder design was produced. It just was not the one used in production. I agree that this one is pretty bad.

[us019255]

Making an ex military into something else is often but not always a crime.

An example of one of my trunk guns. M1 carbine, repro. paratrooper stock, IBM receiver, new commercial barrel, rest of parts mixmaster, repro type 2 barrel band, etc.

Now, the receiver was one of those that came back terminally pitted and rusted 3 years ago. No collector would want it. The parts were collected over many years because they function and are inexpensive.

I did consider one of the fiberglass stocks that fold, but ran into the paratrooper inexpensively. My intended use is for it to reside in a AMF Head tennis racket case for dire need in firearm unfriendly areas.

Many folk use civilian AR 15's with carbine (or as close as they can get) barrels for this, but I am more comfortable that an M1 will function every time with minimal maintenance.

I suspect that any collector who would closely examine this piece would conclude that no collectible carbine was hurt to produce it. (If they did find a minor part that was rare and needed I would be happy to trade it even steven)

[rondog]

My Eyes!!! My Eyes!!!