Clip ejection problem

[Mike D]

Trying to figure out why an M1 would eject the clip after 4 rounds? Any ideas? What could be some possible problems?

Thanks, Mike D

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[emmagee1917]

...any of the parts that interact in front of the reciever. I would start with looking at the clip latch for wear where it grabs the clip or up front where it is worked . I would also change the clip latch spring just because it's cheep , but at least compare it with a new one. The most likely cause , however , is the little *** on the bullet guide . The little humped up area above the hole the pin goes in. Mike the hight from the flat base to the top of the hump. It should be .079 or higher. If it's down to .075 or lower , it's worn out.
If that's not it , look for wear or bending on the mainspring fork , the follower arm , or slide catch.
Chris

---------- Post added at 04:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:53 PM ----------

..it edited *** out !!!! That's Tom-Ida-Tom .
Chris

[P-07ShortLee]

It may just be the "clips", try using USGI.

Then try replacing the clip ejector spring with a heavy duty one, if that doesn't work then try replacing parts.

[islandhopper]

I would agree that it is more than likely the clip latch or the clip latch spring. If either or both of them are worn, replace them.

It could also be the clip itself though, if the little detents are worn or deformed.

It could also be some of the internals such as the follower rod, follower arm or op rod catch. But I'm not sure it would be the bullet guide - unless it is interfering with another part some way. The bullet guide affects timing more (although all things are possible with the Garand). Usually too high a fulcrum would cause the bolt to release too soon, before the clip is latched. Too low a fulcrum would cause the bolt not to release. It is true that sometimes an op rod handle needs to be slapped forward to release the bolt, but if that doesn't work, I'd be measuring the bullet guide fulcrum lug.

The measurements of the fulcrum lug listed above seem a little off.

Bullet Guide Specifications

Bullet Guide Fulcrum Lug Height: .179 to .175

[emmagee1917]

Fat fingers hit 0 instead of 1 . Note--must proof read. My H&R did the same a couple of months ago. I did replace the clip latch spring while checking , but the only worn part I saw was the bullet guide lug. It was .173 IIRC , and it had gone from 7th rd poping down to 5th rd. Replaced it and problem cured.
I do admit , however , that when I took it out , the action seemed much " snappier " now .All these pieces interact. The bullet guide lug affects the op rod catch which works the clip latch. It's like a big dance on a stage , and if one of the dancer's trips , it can affect another or all.
Luckily . all the parts are plentiful and cheep , and usually a problem shows up as a bent piece or very worn piece , ie. easy to spot if you look.
Chris

[islandhopper]

Fat fingers hit 0 instead of 1 . Note--must proof read. My H&R did the same a couple of months ago. I did replace the clip latch spring while checking , but the only worn part I saw was the bullet guide lug. It was .173 IIRC , and it had gone from 7th rd poping down to 5th rd. Replaced it and problem cured.
I do admit , however , that when I took it out , the action seemed much " snappier " now .All these pieces interact. The bullet guide lug affects the op rod catch which works the clip latch. It's like a big dance on a stage , and if one of the dancer's trips , it can affect another or all.
Luckily . all the parts are plentiful and cheep , and usually a problem shows up as a bent piece or very worn piece , ie. easy to spot if you look.
Chris

I couldn't agree more. I remember once that I replaced a follower arm with a "correct" part and took a functioning rifle and made it not function. The said follower arm worked in another rifle though, so it wasn't defective in any way. Stacking issues is what I thought at the time and so put it away and went back to what I had before. When I eventually found a "correct" op rod catch I retried the "correct" follower arm. Bingo, it worked. So one thing affects another thing which affects another.

[ma96782]

A trouble shooting guide for you...................

http://m1-garand-rifle.com/garand-troubleshooting.php

and

http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/...tm-malfunc.htm

Aloha, Mark

[Midmichigun]

Mark,
Thanks for posting the "goods". I have an M1 that is malfunctioning, so the tips will come in handy.
Maybe later I will post the thread (don't want to jump someones thread) that I had on another forum.