Xiie1

[Promo]

Does anyone here know anything about XIIE1 conversion of the No. 5 Mk I? How can those be recognized and which parts were modified? I'm also happy about PM, if you don't want to post the differences in public.

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[Promo]

So if noone can tell me anything about this rifle, does anyone know what the marking "2OT" (or "20T", not sure) on Enfield Rifles mean?

[Thunderbox]

"20T" used to be a UK proof mark for a rifle proofed as .308W/7.62mmx51; it replaced the earlier "19T", and has now been itself dropped.

[Peter Laidler]

Nobody on this usually knowlegeable forum knows or has heard anything about this type of rifle indicates to me that ti's suspect. Maybe a few photographs might help one way or the other.

Sterling converted a handfull of No5 rifles to prove their conversion kits and had the kits available in reasonable quantity. But apart from kits sent out as samples to likely buyers, there were no real markets. David Howroyd the Engineering director of Sterling told me that by this time the need for a 7.62mm No5 had gone

[750 WLA]

Nobody on this usually knowlegeable forum knows or has heard anything about this type of rifle

see Bernd Rolff, "Im Dienste Ihrer Majestät", side. 57 and 58 XIIE1

[Peter Laidler]

Pray tell, how exactly and where do we see Bernd Rolff

[Thunderbox]

see Bernd Rolff, "Im Dienste Ihrer Majestät", side. 57 and 58 XIIE1

Thats quite a rare book among the English-language collecting community. Are you able to provide a scan or transcript of your reference (within copyright, of course), or a more detailed description of the rifle you are enquiring about?

I'm not sure anyone is aware of a prototype 7.62mm No5 rifle bearing the designation "XIIE1", if that is what you are inferring. Although Enfield is thought to have made one or two specimens of a 7.62mm No5, I don't think there is any record of these being given any sort of official model designation.

Commercial 7.62mm conversions by Sterling are relatively common, but these do not carry a military model number.


EDIT: Just a guess, but are you referring to the "X2E1"-stamped trials FAL magazine that was used in the Australian No6 rifle test-beds?

[Badger]

Pray tell, how exactly and where do we see Bernd Rolff

I did an Internet Google search and turned up with this book being sold on egun.de, which I assume is what he's referencing ...

Im Dienste Ihrer Majestät / Bernd Rolff (click here)

I clicked on Google's English translation and it said this...

THE bible for collectors and friends of the English guns. Schutzumschlag ganz leicht berieben / Buch sehr guter Zustand. Dust jacket very slightly rubbed / book very good condition. Der Verkauf erfolgt unter Ausschluß jeglicher Gewährleistung. The sale is without any warranty.

I also searched for an on-line PDF version but didn't find any references ...

Finally, I did find a German auction house link to a reference of an XIIE1 marking, but the link itself appears dead ....

Hermann Historica - Internationales Auktionshaus für Antiken, Alte
Links an der Hülse bezeichnet "RIFLE 7.62 MM XIIE1", an der Laufwurzel "2OT". Vollständige originale Brünierung. Dunkle Nussholzschäftung, Kolbenkappe Gummi ...


Regards,
Doug

[Badger]

The auction page I mentioned earlier finally loaded and it appears to be offering for sale what is purported to be an Experimentalversion des Karabiners Lee-Enfield No. 5 Mk I "Jungle Carbine" im Kal..308, Typ-Bezeichnung "RIFLE 7.62 MM XIIE1"

Los Nr.2120

Experimentalversion des Karabiners Lee-Enfield No. 5 Mk I "Jungle Carbine" im Kal..308, Typ-Bezeichnung "RIFLE 7.62 MM XIIE1",
spiegelblanker Lauf. Zehnschüssig. Klappdiopter. Mündungsfeuerdämpfer. Bajonetthalter. Links an der Hülse bezeichnet "RIFLE 7.62 MM XIIE1", an der Laufwurzel "2OT". Vollständige originale Brünierung. Dunkle Nussholzschäftung, Kolbenkappe Gummi. Meist unbekannte Rarität in neuwertiger Erhaltung. Länge 100 cm.

Einige wenige Karabiner No. 5 wurden Ende der 50er Jahre in Enfield auf das NATO-Kaliber .308 umgebaut. Diese Enfield-Konversion wurde aber nicht weiter verfolgt. Vgl. u.a. Rolff, Im Dienste Ihrer Majestät, S. 57 f. Erwerbsscheinpflichtig.

Zustand: I- Limit: 600 EURO

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Regards,
Doug

[breakeyp]

I have copy of the book. Page 57 shows a picture of a No. 5 with a square cut .7.62mm magazine identifyed as an XIIE1 and a picture of a No. 5 with Sterling conversion. While my German is non existant--I find no further information other than a notation to its existence??? in the accompanying main body text.

The book is an 180 page outline of Skennerton's books in German. Nice pictures.

To stir the pot further, I have handled in Canada a No.5 made up in 7.62mm using a No.1 MkVI receiver that was purported to be one run up by Long Branch for an evaluation. I do trust the source.