Original vs Reproduction Butt Plate

[Greystone45]

How can you tell whether a butt plate is original or a reproduction? I see some on Ebay with markings but some that have no markings. Is the textured part different? thanks

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[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

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M1 Carbine Buttplate Identification

[painter777]

Only a few were marked, and you must learn what the original markings look like. The Repro guys don't quite have these markings correct yet.
These are examples of plates that came marked, That I know of.
S-S3 used on Standard Products carbines.
PM-S'G', IP-PM and PM-IP used on S'G' and Irwin Perdesen carbines.

Here is a link to a site that can ID Butt Plates for you, there may be some errors on it.....
M1 Carbine Buttplate Identification
Others may list other Butt Plate ID Sites for you.

Most all of the reproduced Plates tend to be the harder to find, expensive rare ones,
Like these Original RMC plates .....
These first 2 pictures show early RMC plates that can be found with 1 or 2 dots missing at the 3'0'clock position..



Mid-Late RMC with dots missing at roughly the 12,6,7,8,9 and 10 'o' clock positions...........
I have another example of a late RMC plate that I can't seem to find today....


Pictures of 2 Standard Products plates, marked S-S3.... made by Shelby Spring Hinge Co.




Picture of PM-IP plate used by Irwin-Pedersen and S'G'....


2 Diagonal style plates. Left one used on early Inlands, Right one used on Underwood carbines.
The Inland plates have a larger checkered diamond. If you count the dots in a 1" run you'll see that Inlands have 11 diamonds per inch vs. 13 per inch on Underwood plates....


An example of a repro Rock Ola plate..........
M1 Carbine Rock-ola butt plate- : Other at GunBroker.com


HTH,
Charlie-painter777

[Greystone45]

Thanks for posting all the photos. Does this butt plate look like an original? thanks

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...x878719161.jpg

[painter777]

Best I can tell from looking sideways,
It looks to be a real one.
Finish could be original or reparked.
Hard to tell from a picture.
There are new in the wrap butt plates still around.

HTH,
Charlie-painter777

[Greystone45]

I'll take a better photo tonight. I decided to keep the carbine with an adjusted final price. All is well, I am learning. thanks

[Greystone45]

Close up photos of Inland Butt Plate. I have 2 photos for each side of the trigger mechanism. Is it normal for one side to sit deeper into the stock than the other side. You can see this in the photos. thanks

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...5/100_3777.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...5/100_3778.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...5/100_3779.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...5/100_3780.jpg

[Bill Hollinger]

Judging from the trigger group overhang that stock has been sanded a lot.

[painter777]

I'd say the Butt plate is a original Inland, best I can tell from the pattern. If it isn't new from the package, it doesn't show the aged patina normaly found on a aged piece like this. Also no dents, scratches or wear... etc. Very possible it could have been Bead or Sand blasted then re-parked/re-finished if not new from the package.
Please note: that I'm not the best guy here when it comes to ID'ing Butt plates.
I've pulled stocks from crates that have shims attached to the back of the stock where the rear of the trigger housing will rest against. When shimmed, it gives the trigger housing less of a reveal at the bottom. I've seen small wood shims along with leather shims.
Stocks that are dry as a bone, shrink up and can have trigger housing reveal, which can be improved when oiled on both the inside and out.
A full picture of your stock and its contours should show if sanded and how much so.

HTH,
Charlie-painter777

[Greystone45]

So it is possible that the stock merely dried up over the years and has shrunk? I'm familiar with antique furniture and I don't see where this stock has been sanded or refinished. Could it be an NOS stock pulled from a crate like you said? thanks