Thanks for all the information and help I have gotten on this forum I have been an Enfield and other british arms collector for 25 years but have just gotten into Brens which I shot 45 or so years ago when I was in the Queens own Cameron Hightlanders a malita unit back in Winnipeg Manitoba Canadaicon. I have the book the Bren saga and am looking forward to Peter Laidlers "who I met one time when on a tour of Military museums with Ian Skenerton and a bunch of othe folks" book . Alan Abramson