Dog or Diamond?

[Bill Hollinger]

MPD, thanks for the link. I've been studying the cartouche, and if yours is genuine, then mine is too. EVERYTHING about it is identical...spacing between the letters, proportions of letters compared to the ordnance wheel, details of the wheel, position of the periods between the letters, how the rectangle fits around the entire mess.

Czech, you have a very nice carbine and for the money, a steal. May I suggest you look a little closer at the cartouche. It is very easy to miss even the most subtle of things on them. I am as guilty as anyone and maybe even more than some of overlooking differences. I see some differences. I would love for Charlie to pipe in with more on this as he is our resident expert. I could be all wrong and probably am. I haven't been doing this for long

[Czech]

Thanks for weighing in, Bill. I could be wrong, and I know it's easy to overlook small differences when you don't want to see them.

The part that gets me is that if it is fake, it was unnecessary. In the sling cutout, there is a faint P U that (I believe) shows it is Underwood. If the cartouche was added later, apparently it was done by someone who didn't know a lot about M1 stocks.

Perhaps tomorrow I can get a better closeup of the markings so you guys can see them better.

[painter777]

LOOK at the Flame.........

Charlie-painter777

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

LOOK at the Flame.........

Charlie-painter777

Come on Charlie, it's winter time, maybe the wind is blowing it.

How about just the condition of the cartouche? It is in a general wear area. Looks a bit nicer then I would expect for the condition of the rest of the stock.

[painter777]

IMO,
It's one of the better repro stamps, but not correct.
Compare the Flame to the link provided by MPD1978.

Here are 2 more repro stamps,.

Underwood Bavarian Carbine
Underwood Bavarian Carbine

Not after you Czech, I'd of bought for that kinda $$ also, you did very well.
Someone re-stamped it to add value.
You can tell by the Buttplate over hang and slight trigger housing reveal that its been sanded hard

Gotta run guys..
Regards,
Charlie-painter777