A carry handle for a "T"!???????

[ickmann]

I don't see it as a waste of my time. I honestly would think that the guy would appreciate the info, as a true collector would...turns out that I was mistaken and he will either try to sucker someone into it or continue to look like a fool trying to pass something off just to take advantage of someone who does not know better. If I could post the info on the auction, I would...may call me an ***, I don't care.

[breakeyp]

I don't see it as a waste of my time. I honestly would think that the guy would appreciate the info, as a true collector would...turns out that I was mistaken and he will either try to sucker someone into it or continue to look like a fool trying to pass something off just to take advantage of someone who does not know better. If I could post the info on the auction, I would...may call me an ***, I don't care.

Please do not take my comments as a slur against you. I stopped helping people years ago as I got tired to comments like, "Who says you are an expert" or "A guy who was in the army said it was such and such." They will accept your comments if they think it will get them more money. They are merchants--not collectors. They only collect money. I am reminded of the story about teaching a pig to sing. He won't learn and it annoys the pig.

[Peter Laidler]

Wise words Breaky.......... very wise words.

[breakeyp]

Since nobody published a picture of the handle and bipod together, I thought there might be some interest.

[ickmann]

Please do not take my comments as a slur against you. I stopped helping people years ago as I got tired to comments like, "Who says you are an expert" or "A guy who was in the army said it was such and such." They will accept your comments if they think it will get them more money. They are merchants--not collectors. They only collect money. I am reminded of the story about teaching a pig to sing. He won't learn and it annoys the pig.

I'm sorry. No offense from this side or to you. I like the pig analogy. Too many good people on this forum from what I have seen, both in replies to my posts and from what others have offered up.

Ian

[stencollector]

The one for $1,500.00 is on Collectors Source here in Canada. I would like to own one but the price is in the stratosphere and I would never pay that much.

The word I got from one of the owners of the CS site is that they did sell a set at that price. They had more than one.

I picked up a set from ebay a few years back for a fair bit less, but it was still priced per pound about what silver goes for.

[Missing Something]

Posted on Ebay at the moment:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Parkerhale-Enfiel...item3365504361



This is an experimental carrying handle for the Enfield No 4T sniper rifle. I purchased six boxed No. 4 MK1 (T) rifles from Val Forgett (owner of Navy Arms) back in the 1970's at the Columbus Ohio gun show. One mint rifle mfg by Long Branch in 1944, with a No 32 Scope, had this device installed on it. Since that time it sat in the bottom of the box, then to a shelf, then to a cardboard box..... until I lost track of it. I sold the rifle in the late 1990's to Noel Schott and I promised to sell it to him when I found it. He had reported to me, through his contacts, that this handle and a bipod was experimented with during WW2. This handle is marked "PARKERHALE" and is made of sheet metal, cast, and wood and has 95% of it's original paint finish. Questions welcomed.

Some people have speculated that this is a type of Bren trainer. No one could ever send me a vintage image that supports that statement but, that being said there seems to be modern image of a No1 Mk3 floating around the web with this set up.

Look at the carrying handle on a Bren, note that is directly over the barrel. Now look at the handle I listed. See how this is offset? That's because it circumvents the scope........................ Now, take that thought one set further. How many scoped rifles utilize a bipod? When you use a bipod you cannot sling the rifle in a normal fashion so what then becomes your carrying options? Misguided information circulating as knowledge always seems to be the truth for people who do not know any better.


Buyer pays $15.00 S&H. Overseas buyers welcome and I will take PayPal but wait for my invoice before you pay. High bidder needs to pay within seven days of the close of auction. No4 rifle is shown for display only. It is not part of this auction. .

[enfield303t]

Well just looked up the one for sale on Collectors Source and it looks identical to me but what do I know? The guys on Collectos Source are pretty knowlecgeable.....I still put my money on it being for a Bren and not a T.

Why would you want to carry your No4 T with this type of device, just more awkward kit to haul around and makes no sense to me? But what do I know?

[Missing Something]

Ok.. I pose a question..... It is widely known that Parker-Hale made a bipod and carry handle assembly for the Enfield SMLE and that it was used in WW2 as a Bren trainer as the British lost most of the in service Bren guns at Dunkirk and Dieppe.

So.... does anyone have any pictures or official documentation about their use??

[Peter Laidler]

Missing something. I can't believe what I'm reading......If that is your explanation, then you are totally wrong I'm afraid to say. This was exactly what the others have said. A training device that was designed by Parker Hale to enable the pre-war militia etc etc to use a rifle as the section ;'Bren' |Nothing more or less. It was NEVER sanctioned for use on the |No4T. In fact, it was never officially sanctioned to be used on anything. It was a commercial undertaking that a small unit could buy if it wished, using an account known as 'the unit private fund'

The reason the handle is over to the left is not to clear the telescope, it's so that the handle will fold........... as it does on the Bren it's supposed to emulate.

How do I know this? Simple. a) I've been doing the job a long long time and b) I asked Parker Hale.

Or have I missed something somewhere..................? But in short, this is nothing to do with No4's or T's