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    Quote Originally Posted by Brit plumber View Post
    I take it you like FALs and SLRs then! Nice No4 Skeleton.
    Have one L1A1 tricked out to look like a C1(managed to get a complete walnut stock set), and a collection of FAL bayonets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brit plumber View Post
    I take it you like FALs and SLRs then! Nice No4 Skeleton.
    Me?

    Yeah I have a hankering for them

    Do you have some bits your want to get rid of

    Ohhhhhhhhh your meaning jona D'OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    Nice TYPE A and TYPE C Bayonets jona
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    Sorry about my late reply , I'm new , so much stuff to read , so little time . If I'm correct the SKN No4s will chamber a round , but all ones I've seen have a slotted barrel , so it must be a "non" gun . I remember our cadet force SKN was a No1 MkIII* with no barrel slot and some clown had tried hammering the firing pin longer , without success fortunately . (we also had a lovely SKN Bren MkI).

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    So are they legal ?

    I have a sectioned SMLE No1 MKIII that has been deactivated with cert it has pinned chamber etc.
    I would like a Skeleton No4 and would like a definitive answer if I found a skn numbered one would it be UKicon legal if it had not been deactivated with cert and able to except drill rounds ? as if I am going to buy one would prefer one that can still chamber if UK legal

    Thanks for your time

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    I have attatched (hopefully) pictures of a sectioned No4 I bought some years ago, even though the chamber is completely exposed it is stil classed as a "Section 1 firearm" ie classed as a fully functioning firearm and therefore held on license as the bolt is untouched and could be used in another rifle. It still "chambers" rounds as can be seen and would fire a live round if someone was stupid enough to try it but I hate to think of the consequences The rifle came with a plaque part of which reads :-
    " Presented to RSM (WO1) J Pettifar, Royal Fusiliers By the REME Armourers, with thanks"
    The Skeleton action in question is almost certainly a "Section 1" item as the breech still appears intact as I suspect is the bolt. I also own both SMLE and No4 skeleton actions both of which have been deactivated to the current specification ie barrel blocked & pinned, bolt rendered unusable by grinding the bolt face and locking lugs, they have both been to the proof house and have the correct documentation. The action in question appears to be an expensive pile of potential problems....

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    I recently purchased a No4 SKN at auction. The auctioneer had spoken with the proof house and the pattern room and various Police Forces and all apart from Yorkshire Police Foce said it was a 'non-firearm' and was not an FAC item.

    The bolt had been 'sectioned' so maybe that made the difference.

    There is another thread I started - have a look :
    No4 Mk1 Cutaway (Skeleton) Action
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Maybe Buccaneer should skeletonise the bolt for its full length down the recess of the long locking shoulder and ask them to reconsider. 'Discharging a shot bullet or other like missile' doesn't include discharging it out of the side, totally out of control.............. That is no more a 'firearm' than my car is.................

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    Hi Peter, one day I will get round to deacting the bolt but the bottom line still remains that the law is what the law is and not what we want it to be, any common sense person could see that this rifle could not discharge anything but common sense disappeared years ago, it does not comply with the current regulations and we are stuck with it.

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    The law defines a firearm as ............... While I'm no expert on these things, if the bolt was slotted and I was asked for an opinion............... as I have been on several/many occasions, then guess what I'd say...........?

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    Hi
    After some days on the internet searching for a SKN No4 of the 5 I found for sale in the UKicon they had all been deactivated. Prices for them seem to vary from £160 too £300. I decided to take the plunge and buy this one (see pictures) It was not only the most inexpensive at £160 but also seemed to be in the best condition. I also spoke to several dealers who are all under the impression that they required deactivation to be held legally off licence. After consideration I think buying one with a deact certificate could save any uncertainty with interpretation of current laws or any future changes.




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