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    The data for the carbines provided by Lend-Lease is indicated in Colt 45 Service Pistols: Models of 1911 and 1911A1 by Charles W. Clawson (self published, 1993). Clawson indicates his source for the data as Table LL-14, War Dep't Lend-Lease shipments, 1941-1945, US Army in WWII Statistics, OCMH, Special Staff, US Army, Historical Manuscript File, pp 28-29, RG 156, WNRC.

    Total Lend-Lease 1941-1945: 25,362 M1 Carbines

    In 1963 U.S. Congress initiated yearly reports to Congress from DoD of military assistance to foreign nations, including the Military Assistance Program (MAP) and Foreign Military Sales (FMS). The data for prior MAP and FMS between 1951 (first year assistance and sales was restarted) and 1963 (beginning of the yearly reports) was provided collectively to Congress in 1964. The National Archives has these yearly reports and for the period 1951-1963 they show Britain received 175,404 Carbines, M1 and/or M2.

    Total MAP/FMS between 1951 & 1963: 175.404 M1/M2 Carbines

    Britain provided carbines to the police forces throughout the Britishicon Empire/Commonwealth including the Hong Kong Police, Royal Ulster Constabulary and Bermuda Police. I have a letter from the Hong Kong Police Museum indicating their carbines were marked either HKP or RHKP. The HKP appears on the bottom of the trigger housing and the bottom of the bayonet lug. Century Arms purchased these carbines from Hong Kong and some of them ended up in the USAicon. I have fotos of at least one. The RUC has been a mystery Mikey and I have been interested in for several years.

    I also have the data for M1 and M1A1 Carbines dropped by the OSS during WWII and also the Bristish SOE to the Frenchicon Resistance during WWII. OSS pulled the carbines from U.S. supplies in Britain, SOE puled the carbines from British supply depots, so I would guess they were Lend-Lease.

    The SOE and HKP carbines do not have British proof marks. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on the next one, but I believe the carbines were not proofed by the Brits until they were made available to private company exporters and/or civilians.

    Jim
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