No.4T... Lots of Pics.

[Sht_LE]

Here is my No.4T I saved my pennies a long time to get her. She is a 1944 dated BSA Shirley all matching (receiver, bolt, forearm and scope mount) and the scope serial number matches the number on the buttstock. She still has the scope can with her that is matching to the rifle and scope, but no chest. The sling, carry strap for the scope can and the leather lense cover came with her and all apear to be original. The bore is perfect and looks brand new, but I have not taken her apart (I have no plans to) so don't know the barrel date. The scope looks great, but needs some love. The turrets are frozen and the lenses are a little grungy around the edges. Don't know how she shoots..... yet. So can't comment on her accuracy. I think at some point after WW2 she was rebuilt, but she has no FTR mark. Let me know what you think and maybe a ball park price of what you think she is worth.




Hollow bolt knob, is that common on Ts?










No import stamp on her but she does have an export stamp. Any way to date this?


Looks to be an original sling to me. Does anyone know that the stamp under the date is?






Does anyone know that the label on the left is made from? It looks like it was originally an envelope. The cleaning cloth was in the can when I got her and looks old so I have left it.




Alloy butt plate. Seems like most Ts I have seen have brass. Also, M4A3 Sherman would not get his left leg out of the pic... He had come over so I could take some pics of his new old mouser, so I shot some of my T while I was at it.






Does not appear to have been renumbered, but a No.32 Mk.3 scope on a 1944 dated T?




Does anyone know who made this mount? From Peters book I think it is a replacement mount?

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[RJW NZ]

Very very nice, I'm turning green!

[jmoore]

Scope bracket- why would you think its a replacement? Looks fine to me! Probably a small JG marking on it somewhere.
"Alloy" butt plate is by far the most common on non-rebuilt rifles. Gun metal ("brass") buttplates are seen early on and on post-war rifles. Yours being late war, the mazak/Zamak "alloy" plate is fine.
Metal looks fine overall- The wood? I'm ALWAYS suspicious of stocks and woodwork for some reason, so I'll let others comment. A nice package! Very "low mileage".

For scope servicing, you aren't too far at all from Brian Dick. I suggest y'all get together at some point. Roadtrip over to his shop ought not be a big odessey.

[Simon P]

Doesnt look refinished, from the pictures it looks nice and original.

Thats not an export mark, it a UK Proof Mark

Well Done

[Garandrew]

Looks exactly like mine, but the numbers in the stock are clear

[Beerhunter]

1. Hollow bolt knob, is that common on Ts?

2. No import stamp on her but she does have an export stamp. Any way to date this?

3. Does anyone know that the label on the left is made from? It looks like it was originally an envelope.

4. Alloy butt plate. Seems like most Ts I have seen have brass.

1. Common (I think) on BSAs.
2. They are English Proof Marks not export marks. (We don't have 'em.) London post-1954 but not recent, because we have moved from tons [] Inch to Bar.
3. It's Reuse of Envelopes label. You close the open envelope with it so that it can be used again. Having said that, because those labels had an "On His (Her) Majesty's Service" device (Where do you think that Ian Fleming got the book title from?) on them, they were commonly used in lieu of Postage Stamps and because they were sticky, they were commonly used as general purpose labels.
4. Again Common (I think) on BSAs.

A fabulous looking rifle.

[Peter Laidler]

The OHMS labels are still in use. Haven't seen any for a while though

[Roger Payne]

I'd agree with Beerhunter re the bolt knob. Indeed I'd go as far as to say it is the norm on BSA rifles & if anyone has a T set up on a BSA made rifle & the bolt knob is not hollowed then they'd better have a very close look at the numbering on it as the bolt is likely to be a replacement (not that that matters if done properly, though anathema to some collectors).

Would also concur re the mazak butt plates.....

ATB

[Brian Dick]

It looks to be a very nice, honest, original rifle. The way I like to find them.

[Roger Payne]

Agreed