41 winchester

[Rick B]

Rice,
Out of 10 very said to be knowledgeable Garanders maybe and I mean maybe 1 is smart enough on these things. I make this statement from all the years I have had to help people who were ripped off and at first were ready to hang me from a high tree when I told them their Knowledgeable person was full of it. Luckily I am smart enough to have plenty of records to prove these poor examples wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying this guy is one but I am saying I can bet he is not. You have given us no serial range to help, you have talked with no information so far and want our help. None of this can happen unless you help us to see. There are so many fake short pinions out there and even fake knobs now. The bad parts is you made a bad statement,, you said You have a 41 Winchester all orignal and then proceeded to call off most of the rifle as not correct. Is the barrel cringed where a new one was put on? is the pad long of short? Are the inards the correct colors and numbers or angles? Is the correct sight knob open arrow or closed? Is the op rod cut or uncut? I can go on and on and you can purchase this money pit if wanted but we need allot more to help and hope you understan.
Rick B

[RCS]

Rick B. is right. Also sometime around 2003 a friend called from a gunshow in MN, he said he found a Winchester 116849 for sale for around $4500, it even had a faint WB double box cartouche on a no-trap stock, all the parts look correct and he was going to buy it. I told him to hold while I checked my data sheets, I found it, it was a complete restoration from a guy
that also lived in MN but since died. The logo was engraved but the TRADEMARK was too large, the receiver was annealed, the cartouche was fake (lazy R) and than worked over to appear faint. The stock had been restored in the buttplate area. At the time there might have been $2000 worth of good WRA parts. He did not buy it but I am sure someone did !

[rice 123]

I am going to look at it tonight I will try to write down some part numbers he is not going to let me strip it down and take pics. Originaly He got it out of an estate sale and put it in his collection and He was not trying to sale it I have been bugging him to sale it to me for over a year. As far as being knowalgable he is the most knowlageble person i know locally. He has been working behind a the gun counter at a local pawn shop for 40 years and he has a huge garand collection including 5 lend leases. So what I am asking is if all of the parts on a 41 garand are correct but the buttstock , the elevation knob and the cylinder would it be worth $2500

[Bill Hollinger]

he is not going to let me strip it down and take pics.

This in itself is a sign and not a good one either.

[Joe W]

The point is you don't know that the parts, other than the stock, gas cylinder and elevation knob, are correct or not. The fact that the Pawn Broker / Garand Collector is the "most knowledgable person you know locally" really says nothing to his knowledge or honesty. I have been involved with M1 garands for about 50 years but I would not lay out $ 2500.00 for a rifle like this without the opinion of some KNOWN experts. In fact a few have already commented on this post. But as others have said, you have to give them more to work with. Re-read the reply you got from Rick B. and try and answer some of the questions he posed.
Also, why will he not allow you to take pictures ???

[rice 123]

ok I went over tonight and wrote down all of the numbers I could find. Now if I can read my scribbleing serial 1378XX trigger group large pad small hole the numbers in the trigger assembly were C46025WRA, D28290WRA,C46008-1 WRA, one peice milled follower rod, early pattern op rod catch in the white, side beveled follower rod, early patter follower hand filed, unmarked clip latch, winchester sight base, short pinion I do not know if it is SA or WRA, no notch handguard. milled grooved lower band, winchester upper band, bolt D2827-1 WRA, round firing pin hole in the bottom, Hammer spring housing white, plunger white,disconnector white uncut D35382 WRA op rod, circular mchined single slot lock screw, d35449-wra gas cylinder, front site has the punch mark, bullet guide D8875WRA. when I say white I mean no finish. as far as color and texture everthing seemed to match. it had a winchester barrel the chamber was in the white with MW or 3 and a bore was a 1 on the gauge but was frosty. we checked part numbers against his referance books and ever thing seemed right. The only thing he changed on it was the gas cylinder. I was going to ask him if I could take pics but we have been good friends for 20years ,he has sold me a lot of nice stuff and everything has always been exactly what he said it was and I just could not bring take a chance of insulting him, like I said he has always been straight with me. Anyway he is having second thoughts and wants to think about it until Sunday.

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and I forgot one rear sight Knob is a open arrow checkerd knob,the other on is a SA knob that is gro0ved the lock bar is the early type

[DaveN]

I too don't see it worth 2.5K. I have 6 WWII ( WW2 ) Garands only one of which has the correct barrel and none with the correct stocks but have many WWII parts on them. At 6-700 dollars each I could in time find the parts but I'm starting at a much lower initial cost and like the one you are looking at would be a rebuild/restoration,nothing more IMHO.

[rice 123]

I did not mean 25K I ment two thousand five hundred dollars

[browningautorifle]

I still think that's too much.

[DaveN]

Rice, sorry I too meant 2 and 1/2 or 2.5k I guess I out typed my brain. I did make the correction.