Ok JM, I'm all set to make up that batch of onion sausage now, got #11 this afternoon. Since it was a nice dry afternoon I took the Mosin Nagant 91/30 PU for a spin and spied a 6 pt trying to shoot the gap between two patches of woods 236 yds out, and that was the end of his crop damaging career. Probably not gonne be able to salvage much from the front end, those PRVI 150 grainers really tear up some meat. imarangemaster, I've never seen the effects of the M193 FMJ on the human body and don't really care to but they certainly produce some nasty wounds on deer bodies.......