Possible fraud - m1 garand "new" gas cylinder - please help

[mshehan]

Please help!!! I purchased a "new" gas cylinder off of GunBroker.com. Everything seemed fine until I tried fitting it to the gun. It seemed to bind up ever so slightly the last half inch at maximum forward stroke. The weapon fails the "drop" test. (this is what I call and have seen where the op rod/bolt combo "falls" back and forth as you tip it without the spring. I'm guessing this indicates freedom of movement.) Upon inspection it appears there is a bushing in the last half inch (forward most) of the cylinder. I am new to the M1, but I have no understanding of any bushing. My old cylinder does not appear to have this. It does seem to be a "good" job in that it blends very well with the wall of the cylinder. But what effect does this have in only the first half inch??? Initial pressure is greatest at this point, and I'm guessing the cylinder is designed to bleed off some of the gas. But is it really "new" if it has a bushing??? I will try to supply pictures and and e-mail if someone want's to speak directly. I'm close to getting GunBroker involved.

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[Joe W]

If the ad said "NEW" gas cylinder then that may be what you got. A newly made G.C. BUT if the ad said "original G.I." or "SA Gas Cylinder" then maybe it is "fraud". As far as the problems with it, that I can't help you with. Good luck.

[Stump70]

Could it be for .308?

[Ben Hartley]

Could it be for .308?

Shouldn't make any difference.

Ben Hartley

[Orlando]

Have you contacted the seller?????
I would like to see pics or a link to the auction

[jmoore]

Sounds like a worn cylinder that's had a liner installed (but not well or you couldn't see it), and refinished.

Photos would be educational.

[mshehan]

Update:

Seller claims that of all the cylinders he has this one must be a mix up. We'll see. He agreed to exchange for a "new" one. I will still try to post pics before I send it back. Thanks everyone.

BTW - Last part I need to get this baby ready! Can't wait! That's why I'm a little edgy!

Also:

Anyone/everyone know what I mean by the "drop" test? ( I'm not sure that's what it's called - plz no jokes about "dropping" the gun - I get it, haha ) Just how important is this? If I wind up with this cylinder for whatever reason, like a previous poster says, should it make a difference if it seems to be ever so "tight" or "bind"??? It's just enough friction to hold the op rod/bolt assembly up when tilting it, but a quick jar to the gun pops it loose. Maybe it's a "good" fit? Geez guys help an M1 newbie.

[Ben Hartley]

...Anyone/everyone know what I mean by the "drop" test? ( I'm not sure that's what it's called - plz no jokes about "dropping" the gun - I get it, haha ) Just how important is this? If I wind up with this cylinder for whatever reason, like a previous poster says, should it make a difference if it seems to be ever so "tight" or "bind"??? It's just enough friction to hold the op rod/bolt assembly up when tilting it, but a quick jar to the gun pops it loose. Maybe it's a "good" fit? Geez guys help an M1 newbie.

From your earlier description, I think the more recognizable name is "tilt test." My own take is that a really free movement is desirable, but a slight binding shouldn't be anything to worry about. How much is slight? Dunno. Make up your own mind. (I know, I know, that's no help at all.) You might want to ensure that there is no contact between the op rod and the handguard liner / lower band / stock. Do not attempt to bend the op rod; it's supposed to be crooked as a dog's hind leg, and getting the bends just right takes a highly skilled 'smith.

HTH

Ben Hartley

[mshehan]

Gentlemen, here are some surprisingly good pictures. Didn't think i could do it...

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BTW...quote from GunBroker.com auction:

"New Springfield Armory gas cylinder late model new from the package in grease. Only have a few left. It doesn't get any nicer than this! The auction is for one cylinder. Will ship anywhere in the US for $6.75 International is more. I take Paypal (it’s a little more to use them),US Money Orders,US Cashiers Checks and US Personal Checks. Personal Checks (10day wait) International payment is Paypal only. Thanks and good luck."


The link: M1 Garand Gas Cylinder Springfield Wide Base New : Small Rifle Parts at GunBroker.com

[mshehan]

Could not upload more than one photo initially. Might be doing something wrong...well here's more. I have more that won't upload. Hopefully some are clear enough...


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Link: (seems to disappear if I don't add quotes...annoying) (Edited to create a clickable link Bob Womack)

GUNBROKER AUCTION