Dogleg Hammers

[usgicollector]

The IP dogleg looks like a original HI that somebody made at home, but who knows!!! I'm not buying

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

The IP stamp looks pretty bad. Wrong font too. Sure it is fake.

But on a side note, Saginaw GR did get 100 hammers integrated from Underwood 10-1-43. Some type 1 Underwood hammers were marked H. Out there somewhere is there a real H hammer over stamped IP?

[USGI]

I'd like to learn more about these 'questionable' dogleg hammers. If they are being produced, possibly by the lost wax casting process, we'll probably be seeing more of them show up. The KR Type 1 that sold for $225 looked to be machined - don't know if the machining looked proper or not. I only have one dogleg hammer, and it came with an S'G' carbine I bought in 2010. The composite picture I'm showing below has the $203 S'G' hammer (that just sold on eBay) on the left, another eBay hammer (from last summer) in the middle, and my hammer (in the gun) on the right. The individual pictures are all of my S'G' hammer. I think it's interesting that there's an obvious difference between the S'G' stamps on the hammers. All of the hammers in the composite are Type 2A, but I don't know if all that type were supposed to have been made in the same plant? If the one on the left is a newly made "fake" then they had to choose which stamp they would copy. Comments? - Bob

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[manteo97]

Someone went to a lot of effort to make these, but blew it when they put on the letters. These appear to be castings that have been tumbled and some finished machining. I'd guess they came from a foundry in India. True test is, of course, a Rockwell Hardness test to USGI spec of 15N 89 min. Original USGI hammers were case hardened, hence the superficial N test, vs a standard Rockwell C. If they have been case-hardened, then you only have a very expensive good looking replica, (except for really bad stamping, almost look electro-etched.

It is certainly a shame people sell these (greedy con artists), and worse, someone buys them, thinking they are real. Are these Ebay buyers going to pass these along as genuine in the internal workings of an early issue carbine?