How does one convert an A3 to A4 ????

[Chuckindenver]

the holes were drilled before heat treatment, tapped afterward,
the shims were mostly used for the 330 scope, as it didnt have enough adjustment, iv yet to have to use shims with a Lyman or modern scope..
i can tell you that even with a forester jig set up, the drill will walk a tad..and all of the new made Redfield and the Gibbs bases need to be bent, ground or adusted in some way to sit right.
i havent had any issues mounting a Denver made Redfield base.
the qualty of the China made Redfields has gotten better, and ill mount them now, but wont mont the Gibbs made bases.

[2aimtrue]

The Redfleld mount is essential if you are building with an eye to competing in the CMP Vintage Sniper Matches.
No problem with fired cases clearing the scope base or scope.

Regards,
Jim

I thought the rules only required an appropriate military rifle with a "vintage scope". I was hoping to put my 03 sporter with period-correct Austrian scope mounted on it in military dress and shoot the VS matches if it is accurate enough.

[supercub]

Wonder if I can get in with this;

[JGaynor]

I thought the rules only required an appropriate military rifle with a "vintage scope". I was hoping to put my 03 sporter with period-correct Austrian scope mounted on it in military dress and shoot the VS matches if it is accurate enough.

Nope! The rules (as of Spring 2011) are published here:

http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf

Be sure to watch for changes for this year. And if you can make a compelling argument you can apply for an exception.

Regards,
Jim

[Chuckindenver]

i think they have updated the scope list since that book was published.. unless they changed it again...also..id bet that they outlaw recovered drill rifles in the future..
the Weaver K3 was legal last time i looked..

[JGaynor]

i think they have updated the scope list since that book was published.. unless they changed it again...also..id bet that they outlaw recovered drill rifles in the future..
the Weaver K3 was legal last time i looked..

Chuck, the Weaver K3 was in a draft version of the rules about a year ago as an acceptable scope for the A4. When the final rules were published it was deleted - to a chorus of howls, weeping and moans and groans from people who had already bought them. Part of the reason for the deletion was allegedly that the K3 was not introduced until after the magic cutoff date (1955?). However, if you look at the british list the K3 is Ok for use on an Enfield !!

I doubt they will trash the recycled drill rifle A4 reproductions. CMP more or less blessed the Gibbs models and now two or three other companies have jumped on the band wagon.

Regards,
Jim

[Chuckindenver]

i hope your right, but...in my crystal ball, i see....a case head failure on a recovered drill rifle, that we all know really has nothing to do with it being a drill rifle.. and someone complaining of safety...and that will be that...i hope im wrong..but history says other wise.

[2aimtrue]

Maybe I'll try for an exception as a German Gewehr 249a copy.
Incidentally, the list of allowed scopes for German snipers is very limited. Besides the Zeiss models listed there is also the ZF41. They also used the Ajack 4x, Hensoldt 4x, Kahles 4x and any others they could get their hands on. Some were donated by civilians and probably mounted by Jewish smiths at concentration camps in Austria and elsewhere.
Finally got my 03 fitted to the CMP C stock today. Looks great. Will post photos, soon.
I also found someone to repair my Kahles H4x60 and should have it back by the end of next week. Vaughn Everlast was even able to get replacement parts from Europe (I had a badly chipped lens among other problems). As some may recall, Don Miller was unable to get the scope apart but Vaughn got'er done. I'll report on the results when I get the scope.
What is a 1941A1 Springfield?

[2aimtrue]

Bump to top for edit above.

[JGaynor]

What is a 1941A1 Springfield?

It is an error. In all the USMC official correspondence on this rifle it is refered to as: "Rifle,(snipers's), Cal. 30, M1903A1, with Telescope, Sighting, Unertl 8x". Originally USMC Officers Van Orden and Lloyd had proposed the use of the Winchester Model 70.and the Unertl 8x Scope. In Clark Campbell's 2003 edition he cites two USMC Gunnery Sgt.s as remembering the "MC M1941" designation as applying to the Winchester/Unertl combination. In the final analysis the Winchester's were not procured and the Corps fitted Unertl scopes to USMC Match and team '03 rifles which it had on hand. Part of the conversion specification stipuated that "C stocks were to be used if available". Most the examples seen to day in fact have "C" stocks but there are combat photographs of USMC snipers using a grasping groove straight stock. Whether these were issued this way or replaced in theatre is anybody's guess.

So summing up the use of the moniker "M1941" has, in recent years, (i.e. advent of the internet) received some widespread, but probably erroneous, currency in describing this rifle.

"M1941A1" appears only in the vintage sniper rules and (hopefully) is just a goof that will be corrected when the rules are revised.


PS I agree with your comments on the German snipers. The selection of scopes is drawn way too narrowly. As far as the Gew. 98 is concerned I don't believe any of the scopes shown as "issue" were in fact actually used with that rifle. The K98k is better but only a little bit.

Regards,
Jim