They have gotten good at the Winchester GHD because it doesn't have allot of curves in it. The Springfield stamps are a bit tougher with the S's and there cannons are very firm and not cartoon like. It is only a matter of time but they will still leave subtle things I hope I can still find. The problem is I never know when I am verifying a stock for someone if it is a forger asking for me to tell them why I find it fake only to fix that issue. Rick Bicon