What do you think of this IP on Gunbroker

[Curt]

Einstein. Are you looking at the secound IP on Gunbroker?

[Curt]

I guess we will find out how much they are really worth tomorrow after I go to my "special meeting" at work and pack my stuff up,and come home early listing all my toys on GB.

[Harlan (Deceased)]

I sincerely hope that isn't what your meeting is about Curt.
Prayers sent.

[einstine]

well the first one has more IP parts than the 2nd one, there would be some value there . the 2nd one is nice however he lacks a good write up about the parts on the gun. and there is not a 3 day return policy. I would bet that one goes for $5000 as well.
hey you guys know how gun prices are going! we are haveing change guys

[einstine]

Just looking at the Pedersen's again the 2nd one has a lot more S'G' parts. I don't know all the prices on IP parts but if you wanted to find a IP slide and IP dogleg hammer and a IP trigger housing that would add up fast to a chunk of cash. still think it will go for $5000

good luck on that work meeting thing Curt!

[BrianQ]

I understand that IP's are the rarest of carbines and therefore a 'correct' IP (even if this were one) is worth alot of cash.

IP marked carbines are far from the rarest USGI carbines. That common misconception is one reason they sell for what they do.

[jimb16]

How many would you say Brian? 35,000 or so? Compared to any of the lineouts, they seem pretty darn common.

[BrianQ]

That's about right.

Everyone I know has at least one IP in their collection but how many have a spring tube Rock-Ola or Inland? Not to mention the line out variants.

[Tired Retired]

Well, I knew when I wrote the comments that I would probably have to defend or explain them. I guess the best way to explain my whole view point is not in the detail of my comment, but in the thought as a whole. I realize that I am no where near as knowledgeable about Carbine collection as alot of people - I probably won't ever get that smart. But I do have a growing appreciation for Carbine collection as a whole. These weapons were a major part of our nation's effort to preserve our way of life. These weapons served to arm protect many of the servicemen who fought in that war and even a few subsequent actions. It was part of my father's generation - I only wished that I had asked him before he passed if he was ever issued or used a carbine during WWII. I do appreciate the uniqueness and importance of the carbine's development, production and employment over the years.

That said, my original comments should be taken as a whole thought, not a debate for rarity. Yes, when I look at the references, there are alot of different categories of carbines which are rarer than IP. Yes, IP being a "holy grail" is a common misconception among people. Yes, there are REAL unique pieces out there which are worth ALOT of money, not only from a collector's standpoint, but from a national history standpoint also. But two things that seems to be becoming more and more common 1) is the "make correct" by replacing 90% of the parts of a given carbine and 2) the use of misleading, counterfeit and fake parts in an attempt to defraud honest collectors.

In the first situation, TO ME replacing 90% of parts to "make correct" is almost like manufacturing a weapon out of thin air. Ok, if it was in a museum or it was a bring back that grandpa has had for 60 years, then its REAL and should be worth alot of money because it is genuine. Replace one or two parts, ok, that’s genuine enough, but people ethically should be up front about "hey, I replaced the sear with a...". A weapon which is 90% "made correct" is a collection of parts, it is not a genuine weapon as it has existed over 60 years. So one question that runs through my mind is “well, where have you been all of these years????” Just MY opinion....

In the second situation, fake parts or counterfeiting is fraud and IS ILLEGAL. It is defrauding someone of money by mislead the value of an object. In my (and the law's) opinion, counterfeiters should be prosecuted. We prosecute people that counterfeit famous paintings... whats' the difference.

I am not knowledgeable enough to ever judge the value of any Carbine. I just ask questions - thats what I did with my "I dont get it" comment. What carbine is, based on its rarity (not historical significance) is worth $5,000 or $7,000 or $10,000??? My question is not meant to be sarcastic. I do not know. And I am more than willing and eager to learn from the knowledgeable people on this board.

[einstine]

Even if you own a IP and you see one that is in better condition it is nice to up grade by buying the nicer one and selling your old one. we have all done that