This is crazy!

[usgicollector]

Dave HH.
I believe the law was changed on the bolt carrier on AR's I have a colt that is a couple years old and it has the M16 carrier in it. I called colt and they said it has been changed by the ATF. I called them tto be sure and they said that the upper receiver parts are OK but not the lower now.

[tenOC]

Dave HH.
I believe the law was changed on the bolt carrier on AR's I have a colt that is a couple years old and it has the M16 carrier in it. I called colt and they said it has been changed by the ATF. I called them tto be sure and they said that the upper receiver parts are OK but not the lower now.

I'm under the same understanding. Bolt and carrier can both be FA. Aren't FA carriers supposed to be a little stronger?

[Bill Hollinger]

Sent the ebay seller a note, here was his repsonse.

Dear jimf4m1s,

That's why I said to make sure you are legal to own these parts. It is legal to own, buy and sell these parts as long as you don't have an M1 carbine. Or you have a tax stamp. Up to the bidder to make sure of this. There are many places to buy these parts. And they don't ever say a word. I have. Replacement only.

- basnyder1986

Jim did contact the seller and from what I read in his response, it appears as if he really doesn't care one way or the other. A seller like this, who is not in tune with what is right or what is wrong, can be very dangerous to a buyer. I realize "buyer beware" but I am of the feeling, in an instance such as this, the seller takes on some of that responsibility as well.

[emmagee1917]

The kit for sale is illegal to own unless you have a registered reciever , as I said at first. It HAS all seven parts to make a kit , and is therefore a machinegun all by itself if standing alone , in the presence of a M1 , or in the presence of another registered kit . It can only be held by us regular folks if it is registered itself or if we have a registered reciever that would then allow us to have this as spare parts. End of story.
Chris

[Bill Hollinger]

Chris, I was under the impression the slide was one of those "seven" can't have together parts. I'm not to sure because I try to stay away from this kind of stuff but my understanding is that the forbidden together seven are:

1) hammer
2) sear
3) disconnect lever
4) disconnect plunger assembly
5) selector switch
6) 9 spring
7) slide
Bonus parts
8) trigger housing???
9) bolt
10) stock

Take away any one of the seven and your okay?

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Bill,

Swap the trigger housing for the slide on your list.
The slide will work either way.
You need the M-2 trigger housing setup because the milled grooves hold the 9 spring. I have seen many M-1 trigger housings that have also been modified/milled to accept the spring.

Jim

[Bill Hollinger]

So the trigger housing is the seventh evil part. Oh, okay, so there are all the parts to constitute it as illegal. Thanks

[emmagee1917]

Nope . Sorry , but wrong. This comes up every six to twelve months or so , but the answer never changes. The seven parts are selector switch , 9-spring , rocker assmly ( two pieces rivited together , but counts as one piece ) , the disconector with it's little spring and plunger ( three pieces ) and the hammer . You have those seven , you have a machinegun that needs paperwork to be allowed to possess . Either paperwork for said kit or paperwqork for a registered reciever.
That being said , heaven help you if you put this in a non registered reciever you might also have lying around . Also , I would not feel good about saying to a BATF agent , " look , I'm legal , no disconnect plunger .".
Yes , you need a trigger housing , M2 sear , M2 slide , and a cut stock , and preferably a round bolt , but none of those ever were part of " the kit ". It would have been a good idea to add the trigger housing and slide , because that would have given you something big and solid to engrave your paperwork serial number and info on rather than the soft , fragile rocker assmly.
But the law is the law , does not have to be right nor make sense.
Chris

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

From the BATF site. Scroll down to page 12 for M-2.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...-chapter-2.pdf


The “combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun”
language refers to a group of parts designed and intended to be used in converting a weapon into a
machinegun. A typical example is those M2 carbine parts that are only used to permit fully automatic
fire in a US Carbine M1 or M2.
M2 Carbine conversion kit
The above parts consisting of an M2 selector lever, selector lever spring, disconnector lever assembly,
M2 disconnector, disconnector spring, disconnector plunger and M2 hammer are classified as a
machinegun. These parts are used specifically for fully automatic fire and have no application in a
semiautomatic carbine. While other parts such as an M2 sear, operating slide, trigger housing and stock
are used in the fully automatic carbine, these parts are also appropriate for use in semiautomatic M1
carbines.16

Therefore, the M2 sear, operating slide, trigger housing and stock are not a combination of parts
designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun. Other commonly encountered
16 TM9-1267, Cal. .30 Carbines M1, M1A1, M2, and M3, United States Government Printing Office, 1953

[Bill Hollinger]

You guys are the best! I think I got it now! At least for the next six to 12 months