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    It's either a very poor varnish job indeed or repeated coats of some proprietary stock oil or possibly even linseed oilicon. You'd need to look carefully to see what was done before: was the metal work removed before this mystery finish was put on? If so, it might be varnish. Does the finish "splash over" onto the metal anywhere? If so, more likely to be an oil build up put on by hand with the rifle assembled.

    I don't see any of the rounding over and loss of detail that usually accompanies Bubba's attempts at stock refinishing, so my guess is that it is just has oil rubbed on. In which case, you might as well leave well enough alone.

    Fine steel wool would be the best course of action once the metal work is completely removed, if you're determined to do something, followed by linseed oilicon. Be very careful about rounding over the edges, as not only will you spoil the profile, but you will "go through" the existing finish and that will produce an inconsistent look when the new oil is applied.

    Innumerable vintage arms have been spoiled by over-enthusiastic tinkerers who just can't resist "improving" things. If in doubt, do nothing, though of course the tinkerers rarely have any doubts.

    Not trying to be patronizing; please take in the spirit intended. ;-)

    Very nice condition rifle by the look of it, deserves careful handling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drweiler View Post
    Yes, those are the expected stamps.
    But Gunmakers (London) rather than Birmingham.
    Quote Originally Posted by drweiler View Post
    New rifles, however, don't always come with a '0', I have a new-in-wrap No.4 with a '2'.
    That is because the No.4 was designed to use pre-sized bolt heads from factory to the grave. The idea being that on the production line one didn't need a gun fitter to fit the bolt to the rifle, as one did with the SMLE et al, just someone who could use go no-go gauges.
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    Ooooooooooo...... not QUITE Beery..... Maybe it's in the wording, but......... Fitting the BOLT on the production line was a skilled job that operation still required hand fitting right up until production ceased. But fitting the BOLT HEAD to the fitted bolt and setting the CHS was a semi skilled fitters job. Thereafter they were wired together and remained a matched set

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    Good eye Beerhunter! Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Ooooooooooo...... not QUITE Beery..... Maybe it's in the wording, but......... Fitting the BOLT on the production line was a skilled job that operation still required hand fitting right up until production ceased. But fitting the BOLT HEAD to the fitted bolt and setting the CHS was a semi skilled fitters job. Thereafter they were wired together and remained a matched set
    You are spot on - bad wording.

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    Thanks for all the input. I will just leave the stock as is. I'm still not sure where to grease the rifle. I just keep a light coating of miltec on the bolt and rails.

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