UN-Quality on GB

[painter777]

Is this the carbine that was on the CMP forum?
That was found to have the receiver dovetails welded up and reparked?
If so......... Buyer Beware

Charlie-Painter777

UN-QUALITY M1 Carbine USGI WWII Excellent Cond. : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

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[painter777]

On the CMP forum, There used to be a big long post on it. Seems to have been pulled.
I do believe it is the same carbine. The owner was so excited, later to find out it wasn't what it was thought to be.

On the GB auction, the description is very vague. That owner was informed by knowlegible people (some members from here) about problems with it, but he has let most of that info fall between the cracks.
Truely a shame.

Charlie-Painter777

[ChipS]

Auction ends at 1:15 PM tomorrow. Almost a week ago, before all but the first bid, the Seller stated in addendum to his auction page that it was NOT an original carbine and was put together and partially re-parked. After that he got three more bidders to bid, including the high bidder who went nuts and place about 8-10 safety bids over his own high bid of $2800. I don't think the seller can be faulted here in any way, but just with like the $500 oiler I don't understand the bidding rationale. Is a put-together/refinished UN-Quality worth MORE THAN $2800, or are there more games afoot?

[JOHN42768]

This one in the same. You can still see most of the CMP thread as it is on the second page of posts. John

[TMB]

I remember reading that thread seems like he said he paid $2000 for it got a couple complements on it then someone noticed the weld at the rear sight. After that most of the posters started making fun of how he got screwed and said it was only worth $1500 to $1800.

[DaveHH]

His original GB offering said absolutely nothing about the issues with the carbine. Only when he was caught red handed did he add the disclosures about the gun. He apparently got all over some guy about no disclosures on a Garand he'd bought, so that person's friends returned the favor. This kind of stuff happens every day but this carbine had too much notoriety.

[painter777]

He's been careful not to picture the dovetail/reweld work, showing the dis-coloration.
IIRC, When this current owner found out this 'Repair' work had been done to this carbine, I recall he tried to get a partial refund.
Was also some mention of trying to get his Credit Card Co to hold off payment, or something like that.

I can't call that being Straight Up.

CH-P777

[TMB]

He's been careful not to picture the dovetail/reweld work, showing the dis-coloration.
IIRC, When this current owner found out this 'Repair' work had been done to this carbine, I recall he tried to get a partial refund.
Was also some mention of trying to get his Credit Card Co to hold off payment, or something like that.

I can't call that being Straight Up.

CH-P777

Yes I remember reading that part too & thinking if it was me I would just keep it.

[Sarge1998]

I gotta ask, why was the sight welded to the dovetail? Isn't it standard practice to stake the sight to the dovetail to keep it secure? Were there alternatives to this type of action ( I hesitate to call it a repair), in other words was this welding done by the manufacturer, arsenal rebuild, previous owner or Bubba? I either can't recall or missed why this receivers sight was welded in the first place.

[ChipS]

What the guys are referring to is welding the staking marks full and then grinding the welds down flush with the receiver surface and re-parking the whole receiver to make it look like it never had a later adjustable sight installed. Problem is, if you don't heat treat the whole receiver after the weld and before the re-park then the park does not take to the welded area the same as the rest of the receiver (because it has been annealed?) and you can see it pretty clearly. This is deception for the purpose of profit by somebody and there is no other word for it. Mayber the seller bought it this way unkowingly. I am not familiar with the prior auction the guys are referring to.

I may have to back off on my defense of the seller a little. I guess he didn't tell the whole story, but he did say it was not original and it was refinished. I'm still waiting on opinions as to why it went so high as a put-together piece. Because it is pretty? ChipS (Corporal1970)