Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2012)

[jmoore]

So all you have to do now is to size down the bullets to 90% of their original diameter, and you have kept the same proportions - right?

Hmmm, I seem to have just the rifle to do that. But it's not a milsurp, although I got it from one our members due to it's Lee-Enfield/Mauser derivation.

[ArtioZen]

Attachment 39336Attachment 39337I only recently found this site and more recently found these excellent range reports and friendly online matches - brilliant!

I rooted around my photo file and recovered this shoot from Jan 2012 - I'm not sure if the target was perfectly to standard - I still have it....just posting this for fun as I work on printing the official targets to scale for use later.

Info - Mid January 2012, temps in the low 30f range, no wind. 100 yard (silhouette) target, milsurp Kynock 1951 mk7 FMJ. Seated bench, with sandbag wall, sling and me in layers and a parker!
The rifle is a 1955 Faz. no4Mk2 - virtually unfired with a parker hale twin zero sight - 6 hole aperture disk diopter.

The photo paint edit is to remove a tear in the target (I took photos of the target when I was home....) I have a photo without the edit. I need to work on pulling the "satellite 3" into the POA...very happy to group 2 and 3 together though!

Happy New Year!

[fn111557]

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When we start doing the small bore .22LR, can I use my Twins? I know they are NOT MilSurp, but they do look like it. Here is an out of the box sample, let me know what you think!











After shooting my Ruger 10/22 at random clay target bits to warm it up (~40 rounds), I shot 10 rounds at the center target of the 2 sample targets. This was just to use as a reference as what the ammo was doing. I then shot 1 10 round magazine at each of the 4 remaining targets in the following order; Top-Left, Top-Right, Bottom-Left, Bottom-Right.
The M1 target, using 6o-clock POA hold. After shooting the Top-Left group I added 1 more turn of left windage to the sight before continuing.


On the M1A1 targets I remembered to use center POA hold, BUT forgot to reset elevation to 3. Therefore the shot group above the Bottom-Left target was my first group aiming at center of Top-Left. The group IN the Top-Left target was my second group aimed at center POA with the elevation set at 3. Then groups were shot at Top-Right, then Bottom Right.

[jmoore]

I would be OK with a "Look Alike" class or two.

BTW, if I don't have enough posted targets for a particular rifle, there's probably enough old ones on file to make up the shots. Was going to shoot some more at the end of the year, but hunting and a week long "bug" sort of squashed that plan.

[bigduke6]

To all who took part last year a big thanks, to the armchair readers please feel free to join in, just print, buy or make your own targets to the size at the start of the thread, (I didnt get as much range time as normal but thats due to the new member of the family, hopefully in the coming years she will be joining me at the range).

It was with this in mind I thought the .22 would open a few more doors,

I intend to run the .22 comp alongside the fullbore one am just looking at what targets to use that are available to all, JohnMOhio has posted a link for a possible 50 yrd/ mtr,

Just a 25 yrd/mtr one to look at, in the leauge I shoot it is a card of 10 small targets, just want to keep it international etc. (all comments welcome)

Will ask Badger to work his magic and post the 2013 shoot/comp etc in the next week or so.

Was looking at the .22 as a add on to catagory 6 in the normal comp, and for the variations, iron sight, scope etc will carry the same number as the full bore, so if you shooting your .22 at 25/50 yrd/mtr please mention it as catagory 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4 and 6.5 will be the repro trainers etc.

Think this may be best way or do we require 2 seperate threads ?? as I said all comments welcome.

[jmoore]

Here's target #2 from August 17 with the Springfield M2 :



(see Post #38)

Also, might as well score the second target in Post #4 (that says "not for score").

Can't find more for the Garand or the Lebel.

[fn111557]

bigduke6, first off there will be NO whining or crying, when your daughter starts to outshot you at the range.
That said, I think you have the perfect idea with the “6.1, 6.2, 6.3, etc…” small bore classification;
6.1 – Original small bore as issued (WZ-78, M-69, 44US, etc…)
6.2 – Same as above with changed iron sights
6.3 – Same as .1 with ANY scope or added optics
6.4 – Open Small Bore, to include commercial rimfire stock or modified, ie. “Ruger 10/22”. Commercial arms, stock or modified, can ONLY be shown in this class. (changed barrel, modified trigger, addition of bipods or rests to stock, etc…)
6.5 – STOCK small bore military reproductions (m1-22, stg-44, m15-22, etc…)
If any changes or modifications are done to one of the STOCK reproductions, just re classify as above. Change the iron sights (some people have replaced the poly sights on the M1-22 with steel sights from Kensington with better results to them) you now have class “6.5.2”. Add a scope or holo sight to your M15-22, class is now “6.5.3”

If there is an objection to the addition of “commercial” rifles in class 6.4 they can be removed. I just figured if you have modified an original “Military Trainer” to this extent, you might as well have something from modern standards to gauge it against. Also by keeping it to the ONLY class that commercial rifles can compete in, whether it is stock or modified makes no difference.

Just my $0.02, and I have no clue what the target should be. I do hope that the range is set to 25 yards/meters as most of my indoor ranges are limited to this distance.
Looking forward to a FUN YEAR ahead, and a Happy New Year to ALL!

[ArtioZen]

Attachment 39359Attachment 39360Just checking to see if I scaled these correctly - I used 112% scale to get the ring radiuses to the numbers specified.

Also found a second target for the Faz. 1955 No4Mk2 with TZ sight - this time from Aug 2012 with Sellier & Bellot 150g FMJ.

Looking forward to this years shoot n post fun!

[bigduke6]

bigduke6, first off there will be NO whining or crying, when your daughter starts to outshot you at the range.
That said, I think you have the perfect idea with the “6.1, 6.2, 6.3, etc…” small bore classification;
6.1 – Original small bore as issued (WZ-78, M-69, 44US, etc…)
6.2 – Same as above with changed iron sights
6.3 – Same as .1 with ANY scope or added optics
6.4 – Open Small Bore, to include commercial rimfire stock or modified, ie. “Ruger 10/22”. Commercial arms, stock or modified, can ONLY be shown in this class. (changed barrel, modified trigger, addition of bipods or rests to stock, etc…)
6.5 – STOCK small bore military reproductions (m1-22, stg-44, m15-22, etc…)
If any changes or modifications are done to one of the STOCK reproductions, just re classify as above. Change the iron sights (some people have replaced the poly sights on the M1-22 with steel sights from Kensington with better results to them) you now have class “6.5.2”. Add a scope or holo sight to your M15-22, class is now “6.5.3”

If there is an objection to the addition of “commercial” rifles in class 6.4 they can be removed. I just figured if you have modified an original “Military Trainer” to this extent, you might as well have something from modern standards to gauge it against. Also by keeping it to the ONLY class that commercial rifles can compete in, whether it is stock or modified makes no difference.

Just my $0.02, and I have no clue what the target should be. I do hope that the range is set to 25 yards/meters as most of my indoor ranges are limited to this distance.
Looking forward to a FUN YEAR ahead, and a Happy New Year to ALL!

fn111557,

Thanks for the input, 25 yrd would be norm, just wonder if its worth 50 yrd also? I,m lucky as my indoor club has a 50 yrd/mtr range also.
I would like to leave the commercial stuff out, but if it helps others and gets a few interested in milsurps then I cant see the harm. I,m not planning to relist the catagories but will reword them to suit all, fullbore and small bore etc.

Any other thoughts anyone

[gunner]

Hi all,

sorry for my long absence at the forums and the Competition. My job was very stressy the last year, but i hope to take part at the new years competition.

All the best and all in the bull!