Lee Enfields in Israel

[Neil Emore]

Lebanon (2009) - IMDb

[Father Ted]

I think this thread needs to be moved to the tank forum

Cheers

[Bruce_in_Oz]

I also heard that the black chevron was useful for identification during night-fighting.

Black lights up like Christmas (or should that be Hannukah?) on night vision gear, especially if the vehicle is bit warm, like a moving tank. It would also be handy considering the extensive Israeli use of "liberated" Soviet pattern vehicles.

You really don't want your own diggers firing Milans or TOWs into your "friendly" tanks in the dark.

That characteristic of black is why most armies have ditched ANYTHING black from the pointy end. Remember the old "chocolate-chip" US camo: someone wearing that LOOKED like a Christmas tree through NVG. Now it's all muted greens, greys and browns and you DON'T want to wash your "fighting suit" with any detergent that offers "whiter and brighter" results.

Remember the dazzling white "invasion stripes" on Allied aircraft for D-Day, along with the not-so-subtle white star in a circle on EVERY vehicle?

An "Own Goal" is to be avoided as much as possible.

[Peter Laidler]

I seem to recall at the back of my mind that in Oz, Malaya dn SVn, we used to have a white kangaroo on the doors of our Whites and Bedfords and even LRovers's unless my memory is playing tricks. Then that changed in the lateish 60's/68 or so and they were overpainted to a dark matt red. Do they still have the leaping kangaroo on the doors?

[arado]

If you want Israeli guns, I will soon, 2 weeks have my Israeli heavy barrel fal on gunbroker. I built it with original parts excluding receiver. the one one the left. gary

[jimmybob9]

Something like this Peter L? Aussie M1 Abrams in Action with a bucket and Lav25 in support.

Stolen from a really good military pic http://thebrigade.thechive.com

[Peter Laidler]

Thats exactly as they were. Nice to see........ brought a warm glow to my insides!

[Bruce_in_Oz]

When the Hagana was getting its act together, ANYTHING that worked was used.

One of the classics is the "DROR" LMG. This is essentially a Johnson M1944 LMG in .303 or 8 x 57. These were built in Israel.

That they made them in .303 would indicate that they had a stash of .303 ammo commensurate with the rate of consumption in automatic weapons, not just for a few "liberated" No4 rifles.

See here for more: Israeli Dror LMG

Every serious .303 collector should have one!

[browningautorifle]

That's quite a link. I didn't know they made them at home and they were also 8mm...

[Mk VII]

That leaping 'roo device was used on captured Italian M13/40s in the desert too.