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303Guy Charlton Machinegun 09-03-2013, 10:58 PM
ssj I think there is one for sale... 09-04-2013, 03:44 AM
Peter Laidler We had one in our little... 09-04-2013, 05:14 AM
5thBatt The two on display at Waiouru... 09-04-2013, 03:31 PM
browningautorifle How would you have liked to... 09-04-2013, 12:12 PM
Peter Laidler I did have a good look at... 09-04-2013, 01:14 PM
browningautorifle Or in this case...an... 09-04-2013, 02:42 PM
Bruce_in_Oz Kiwi-made MP38? Tell us... 09-04-2013, 04:55 PM
Peter Laidler Re the photo too...... I... 09-04-2013, 05:37 PM
5thBatt NZ SAS L1A1 Peter. The... 09-04-2013, 06:30 PM
Woodsy I am fortunate to own two... 09-04-2013, 06:50 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY Looked here expecting to see... 09-04-2013, 08:29 PM
303Guy Wiki do have an entry on the... 09-04-2013, 08:52 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY I love to learn! You Kiwis... 09-04-2013, 09:49 PM
Woodsy Those of us that were born in... 09-05-2013, 03:22 AM
HOOKED ON HISTORY Don't leave out the early... 09-05-2013, 11:26 AM
5thBatt https://www.milsurps.com/image... 09-05-2013, 01:57 AM
Peter Laidler When I was in NZ (and Aust... 09-05-2013, 01:08 PM
Woodsy Quite so Peter! I was 21 and... 09-05-2013, 09:17 PM
AlanD There is a nice example of an... 09-14-2013, 10:57 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY Not to sell the Britts short.... 09-05-2013, 02:16 PM
303Guy Hell yes! We haven't... 09-05-2013, 06:09 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY I saw this on the news and... 09-19-2013, 01:22 PM
Peter Laidler Just as a matter of interest,... 09-19-2013, 02:00 PM
Woodsy Peter, it would be fair to... 09-19-2013, 05:35 PM
Woodsy I have finally got around to... 06-04-2017, 02:14 AM
mrclark303 That looks superb, what an... 06-04-2017, 05:38 AM
browningautorifle And we're waiting to see... 06-04-2017, 09:33 AM
Peter Laidler Rod, that's what we pommy... 06-04-2017, 04:04 AM
Woodsy Thanks Peter! By my... 06-04-2017, 05:41 AM
Peter Laidler To be really honest Rod, when... 06-04-2017, 07:39 AM
Woodsy Peter, what you see is the... 06-04-2017, 07:03 PM
henry r I cannot express how awesome... 06-04-2017, 09:05 AM
henry r Now I'm imagining a... 06-04-2017, 10:34 AM
tiriaq Congratulations on completing... 06-04-2017, 10:18 PM
Woodsy You still have a big job... 06-05-2017, 12:51 AM
tiriaq You aren't kidding. Lots of... 06-05-2017, 05:46 AM
henry r Does the 2nd "toy" mean that... 06-04-2017, 11:36 PM
Woodsy Definitely not! I doubt that... 06-05-2017, 12:45 AM
Peter Laidler That's answered the Q told to... 06-05-2017, 04:06 AM
Peter Laidler Keep us informed of progress... 06-05-2017, 05:59 AM
Woodsy In 1969 I was working for W H... 06-05-2017, 07:00 PM
browningautorifle And again, there were scads... 06-06-2017, 12:30 AM
mrclark303 I very much look forward to... 06-05-2017, 07:31 AM
Lithy Some good photography of... 06-05-2017, 06:00 PM
Woodsy I test-fired the Charlton... 06-06-2017, 01:36 AM
browningautorifle Good, it's hard to go back... 06-06-2017, 08:24 AM
tiriaq A fix would be to fit a... 06-06-2017, 10:18 AM
mrclark303 Slowly slowly catchy monkey... 06-06-2017, 03:10 AM
henry r Any chance of some pictures... 06-06-2017, 06:09 AM
tiriaq First time I made an AR... 06-06-2017, 07:50 AM
Woodsy I have tried to upload the... 06-06-2017, 07:00 PM
5thBatt Put it on Youtube then link... 06-06-2017, 07:04 PM
Woodsy Another no-go today! The... 06-07-2017, 01:14 AM
mrclark303 We are all waiting with... 06-07-2017, 12:34 PM
tiriaq Just a thought - is the... 06-07-2017, 02:28 PM
Woodsy Yes, plenty of pressure with... 06-07-2017, 06:16 PM
Woodsy Nothing happening on the... 06-09-2017, 12:30 AM
henry r Would you legally be able to... 06-09-2017, 02:23 AM
Woodsy No, because it is... 06-09-2017, 06:10 AM
mrclark303 It would certainly raise a... 06-09-2017, 03:12 AM
Peter Laidler On the other hand Rod, you... 06-09-2017, 12:19 PM
Woodsy My guns do get used for Army... 06-09-2017, 05:43 PM
mrclark303 You have such a thoughly... 06-10-2017, 05:21 AM
henry r The only thing that might be... 06-10-2017, 11:14 AM
Woodsy Henry, we have suggested that... 06-11-2017, 06:51 PM
Woodsy 8484384844 A good result... 06-11-2017, 06:46 PM
browningautorifle Good to see you Woodsy, nice... 06-11-2017, 11:43 PM
Woodsy Thanks Jim. It is one of my... 06-12-2017, 12:56 AM
browningautorifle Nice...maybe we can do a... 06-12-2017, 09:49 AM
henry r that is stunning countryside.... 06-11-2017, 09:23 PM
Peter Laidler Yes......... now that I think... 06-12-2017, 10:49 AM
tiriaq The operating rod/gas piston... 06-12-2017, 11:30 AM
Woodsy Yes, there is a stop at the... 06-12-2017, 06:32 PM
Woodsy Not a 'Ureka!' moment, more... 06-14-2017, 03:41 AM
mrclark303 Congratulations on a job well... 06-14-2017, 07:02 AM
henry r It's not mine and i will... 06-14-2017, 04:04 AM
browningautorifle Nice to see you again Woodsy,... 06-14-2017, 10:03 AM
Bruce_in_Oz Try this.... 06-14-2017, 06:14 PM
browningautorifle Nothing complex there at... 06-14-2017, 06:40 PM
Peter Laidler How come whenever I put... 06-15-2017, 05:58 AM
Woodsy Yes, something odd has... 06-15-2017, 06:28 AM
Peter Laidler Yep....., pretty damned good... 06-15-2017, 06:49 AM
tiriaq Well Done! 06-15-2017, 07:26 AM
henry r The link works perfectly on... 06-16-2017, 06:59 AM
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    I am fortunate to own two original Charltons, although they are both incomplete, and my research has shown that there are no more than 14 worldwide. Although they were essentially handmade, there was a definite production design which is clearly illustrated in the first photo of the Waiouru collection shown above. The give-away is the shape and angle of the pistol grip which should be straight and angled rearward. Any that are not straight, or angled forward, are modern made replicas which are based on the original drawings, copies of which are fairly common in NZ. Only 1800 NZ Charltons were made and almost all of them were destroyed in a fire at a storage facility just after the war. They were only ever issued to the Home Guard and they were not to be used in full-auto mode except in extreme emergency (like you are the only Guardsman facing a Japaneseicon invasion force and they are 20 yards away!). I knew a WW2 Armourer who had the job of acceptance testing of them in WW2 and he said the friction brake (the cylindrical device on the right rear of the action) would fail in full-auto fire and the gun would speed up until the bolt head fractured. Charlton took his design to Australiaicon during the war and the much neater version made by the Electrolux factory in Melbourne in pictured in the Waiouru photos. Only four or five of these exist and they were never put into full production. I have a partially modified Lithgow SMLE body that was recovered from the old Electrolux factory many years ago. The NZ Charltons used purpose-built Bren type magazines that were made in Australia but they were slightly oversize where they fitted the action and had to be file fitted which caused a weakness in the feed lips. These original mags are very rare but I am fortunate to have an example. Any Charlton magazine which is modified from a Bren mag is a replica. After the problems with the contract magazines was discovered, the Charltons were issued just with their standard 10 rd MLE mags. The NZ made MP38 shown in the Waiouru photos was made by an RNZAF Armourer (Beale) and was milled and turned from solid metal. It is beautifully made and is a one-off. In addition to Sten production in NZ during WW2, Allen Mitchell of Wanganui also developed a submachine gun of which four prototypes were made. I was able to handle and examine one at Waiouru Museum in 1993.

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    Peter, the NZSAS modified L1A1's have the forward pistol grip screwed to a steel plate inside the fore-end, not directly to the handguards!

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