What's a good group?

[Patrick Chadwick]

And yes, I can't see squat either.

The important thing for good grouping is that you can't see squat consistently

[imarangemaster]

I regularly fire my carbines at 50 to 75 yards at pine cones and pop cans while on patrol. The Standard Products and Inland I sold would do it, and the Winchester I have now will also do it. Leaning on the 4x4 Patrol truck's hood, I hit some pop cans at about 100 a week or two ago, using my 15 grains of WW296, 110 grain plated bullet loads - I was very happy. All shots either hit the cans or were close enough that they moved them.

[ABPOS]

To be honest, I'm a little jealous.



this group I think is one of the best I ever got with the carbine. It was at 100


50 yards

[imarangemaster]

ABPOS, When you fire from a rest, are you supporting the front of the stock in your hand still? When I shot from a rest without resting the weapon in my cupped off-hand on top of the rest, i get groups like that. When I rest it in my off-hand on top of the rest, I get better groups. I did a post about it here several years ago

[ABPOS]

Interesting. I'll have to try that. I wonder why still using your hand to grasp it would make a difference. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I either used bags or that caldwell green thingy with the U shape in it. And then my left hand on the rear stock.

To be honest, I thought 4-5/8 was pretty good at 100 yards. For a carbine. But maybe I could tighten that up. The first group I posted was the very first group I shot and I think I found a 4-3/16" group at 100 when looking through them. That third pic is 10 rounds.

I forget what kind of groups you were getting. I do remember thinking yours shot real well. Or you shot them well. One of the two or both.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

I think your 4 1/2 " groups at 100 yards is good, and a normal expectation.

[ABPOS]

Thank you. Although I don't think I always get that good of a group. I have to get mine out and try all over again.

[Mizzouboy]

With all that brass, you might want to try reloading! Gives you something to do on lousy weather winter nights. Dies and presses from Lee are inexpensive and work just fine for carbines. Get carbide dies and a case trimmer, since carbine cases often stretch. Lee makes a cheap trimmer that works well and can be chucked in a drill press. Win 296 powder works well, but it's finicky. With Win 296 load exactly 15 grains, no more, no less, with a 110 grain jacketed bullet - meets mil specs very closely. Found some half-jacketed 100 gr lead RN bullets a while back that are cheap and accurate, but you'll have to look up load data. 4227 powder is also useable but look up data.

[DaveHH]

I absolutely agree with Jim. Your groups are fine. Shooting paper has a lot to do with environment. At our old club, the range was oriented East to West and the targets would have fabulous morning light conditions with no wind. You could really SEE the target and sights. The range I shoot at now is North to South with a big time crossing wind. No good light comes from the North, so all you see is blurry and full of the pesky cobwebs that plague us with old age. So expecting good shooting is a dream. But it's all there is in this area, so.......

[2AD_Vet]

My Standard Products paired with my poor eyesight still managed to group fairly well at 100yds....