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[jmoore]

I was referring to the reports coming back that show insurgents not being downed by carbine fire...maybe the hits aren't quite what the shooters think they are.

It could also be that the combination of lower muzzle velocity due to a much shorter barrel with a heavier bullet and the lack of expanding projectiles result in less likely immediate incapicatation. I've noticed that the deer don't drop with a chest shot nearly as quickly when using heavy bullets in 16" carbines. It's more like shooting them with a .308 Win. Effective, but not borderline frightening as with the 55gr in a 1-12 twist 20" bbl.

Mind you I don't think a .223 is a great long range deer round. But that's not a problem in the woods!