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    Agreed. The probability of a hit is greater that way too...strangely enough. In mortar platoon we called it probable error and dispersion...the 85% zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    The probability of a hit is greater that way too...strangely enough.

    Simple scattergun logic: if I shoot perfectly accurately, with a rifle that produces a 1MOA group, but the sights are 5MOA off center, then all shots will (quite accurately!) miss the black! If I shoot really crappily, with the same rifle, and enough shots, then eventually - by pure chance - some shots will land in the black.

    I think that the test target we are talking about has two aspects:

    1) Is the group "usable" (not good, just usable) for everyday battlefield use?
    To which the answer was presumably "yes" if it produced the required group.

    2) Is the POI within the adjustment range of the sights?
    I think that was the purpose of the outside line on the test target. The rifle was set with a standard sight setting. If the group was within the outer boundary line, then there was enough adjustment range to set it to zero - an adjustment which could be made in service - and so it could be shipped out. I doubt that it was seriously intended that the setting would be left indefinitely - after all, what were the adjustable sights for, if not to correct the zero POI?

    In other words, if the rifle passed the test target, it was good enough to be sent out to the troops, but would have surely been further adjusted "on site" by the "end user".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick View Post
    Simple scattergun logic: if I shoot perfectly accurately, with a rifle that produces a 1MOA group, but the sights are 5MOA off center, then all shots will (quite accurately!) miss the black! If I shoot really crappily, with the same rifle, and enough shots, then eventually - by pure chance - some shots will land in the black.

    I think that the test target we are talking about has two aspects:

    1) Is the group "usable" (not good, just usable) for everyday battlefield use?
    To which the answer was presumably "yes" if it produced the required group.

    2) Is the POI within the adjustment range of the sights?
    I think that was the purpose of the outside line on the test target. The rifle was set with a standard sight setting. If the group was within the outer boundary line, then there was enough adjustment range to set it to zero - an adjustment which could be made in service - and so it could be shipped out. I doubt that it was seriously intended that the setting would be left indefinitely - after all, what were the adjustable sights for, if not to correct the zero POI?

    In other words, if the rifle passed the test target, it was good enough to be sent out to the troops, but would have surely been further adjusted "on site" by the "end user".
    Again thank you for input. I'm just looking for pictures of the equipment used. As stated above and I agree. This target was not a "zeroing" target but just a "test" to assure the rifles where coming off the line with a "precieved" amount of accuracy. Once in the field the rifle was zero'd by the end use. "This is my rifle" .
    So far all of my rifles shoot very well off the rifle rest. What I Kent was "I" am happy when "I" can shoot my garands and hold the black. My other HRA with new stock with some tweaking and nosler 168s has surprised me with some sub 3" groups just dancing around 2" and keeping just under 3" regularly. I for the most part can not deliver that off the rest.

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