How often do you see an all matching Enfield No4 Mk1 (T) come up for sale?

[jmoore]

Sniping from Halifaxes or Vulcans. Sorry, it's just what comes to mind when R.A.F. sniper gear is mentioned...

Have 2 or three complete matching units (including transit chests, etc.) about, but they were purchased some time back, so prices not so applicable. Plus a "2/1" scoped rifle matching w/o chest. And some mixmasters and a couple of scopeless rifles that were interesting enough to buy anyway. Have never much paid attention to the internet prices, so not much help in that aspect. All but one were bought FTF. Those sold were also done FTF.

L42s are a somewhat different animal.

[rayg]

So with the $2000 buyers premium and tax he paid $12,000. - and the scope tin doesnt even go with that rifle. (Non-matching numbers)

And sold w/only two photos of it. I know if I were going to spend that much for a rifle, I would want to see a lot of photos of it to make sure it's correct, Ray

[chosenman]

This is my 4 T. She started life as a 1931 trials and was FTR'd in 45. The transit chest as you can see is a converted Bren box which is a nice bit of detail as this I believe is how the trials examples were housed due to no transit chest being made available until the production rifles were ready to be shipped to units in 1942. I wouldn't let the collection as you see it in the picture go for less than £7000, minimum.

[Ridolpho]

corco: Your graph is interesting but it would be nice to see it with only the raw data presented and without the trend lines. That allows the viewer to make their own mind up about potential predictive value of the dataset. Personally I'm skeptical about such a long term, simple straight line relationship. In Canada, at least, one time events like the recent termination of the "long gun" registry have had great effect on "demand" and future probable events like the re-imposition of a registry would put similar but negative pressure on prices.

Ridolpho

[chosenman]

Corco, at the end of the day its what someone wants to pay to get their hands on any given rifle. I think genuine fully matching production rifles will always command good prices, however, your graph shows trials rifles low down the scale in the middle money. These rifles are sought after and are rare animals being around 1400 in number converted from the 3000 trial no 4's and those that are still in existence in full trials trim are valuable things top trumping everything else in my book. Even FTR'd specimens that still have original parts are fetching very healthy prices of which start to fall away depending on how "original" it still is, furthermore I think Enfield configured the trials rifles, not Holland & Holland.

[Peter Laidler]

I only ever saw compass cases in the padded '37patt webbing. I think these would be the norm for the No4T era which came on stream in very late '40/41

[corco]

The graph I created by no means is the end all, say all. I have too few samples to work from BUT the point of the graph is just to give a ballpark idea. There are too many variables based both on political and attainability of the (T). It is correct to be skeptical of such a straight line graphic but it is only a reference point. As for the items description on the graph it is what was published on the sellers web site.

For example, I noticed by putting the graph together that in the last 5 years there has been a small spike or increase in the price of the (T). Whether political, economical or just popularity of the (T) is to the cause, who knows?

Here is the data... I just copied and pasted what I would see in a web site into a word doc. It is not pretty but at least you can see the examples I worked from. It was all I could find in a month’s worth of searching the Internet recently.

The download link will expire on 7/17/14. I apologize for I do not have my own FTP server to store the file on for the public to download. I only can use this free one offered by hightail.com. The file is 52.2 MB so I am unable to upload it to this forum.

Download - Hightail

Thanks,

Corco

[corco]

Chosenman,

Thank you for you comment. I agree with your statement.

"...genuine fully matching production rifles will always command good prices, however, your graph shows trials rifles low down the scale in the middle money. These rifles are sought after and are rare animals being around 1400 in number converted from the 3000 trial no 4's and those that are still in existence in full trials trim are valuable things top trumping everything else in my book. Even FTR'd specimens that still have original parts are fetching very healthy prices of which start to fall away depending on how "original" it still is, furthermore I think Enfield configured the trials rifles, not Holland & Holland."

I am just going on what I could find on the Internet currently using USD pricing. I could only find one example of a trials rifle and what it sold for and the year it sold and used the description of the item on the Internet. If you have any further published info about previous sales of trials rifles please post it in this thread. It would be great if I could get more examples to add the the data sample to be able to make a better graph. In this case the samples I found were limited and because of that, the graph is just a general reference or "guesstimate".

Thanks!

Corey

[corco]

Lastly, I am finally a No.4 Mk1 (T) owner. I just posted links to pictures at the following thread.

Bought two Enfield No4 Mk1 (T)’s sort of by accident...one matching scope to rifle.