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Request 1938 Ammo Identification
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03-23-2009 01:55 PM
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It is for an 8x56R Hungarian Mannlicher rifle.
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The 8x56R (Model 30 cartridge) was developed by the Austrians as a means of getting more power from their M1895 "straight-pull" Mannlicher rifles, which were chambered for the Model 1888/1893 cartridge (8x50R). In the 1930's, they converted most of those rifles to the new round and designated them Model 95/30. The clip was the same. To complete the answer, Stück means "pieces", scharfe means bulleted rounds (as opposed to a blank), and Patronen means cartridges.
Your cartridges were made by Rottweil in December 1938, after the German annexation of Austria in March of that year; note the red S to make sure they were not mistaken for the old 8x50R round, which was still in service with reserve units. (The new round wouldn't fit in the old guns, but it would jam.)
The Hungarians also used the M95 since it had been adopted when Hungary was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Hungary converted their M95s to the new cartridge and also designed a bolt action rifle, the Model 1935, to use the Model 30 cartridge and clip. After the alliance with Germany, Hungary modified the M35 rifle to use the German 7.9 cartridge with a Mauser-type magazine and Mauser clips.
Jim
Last edited by Jim K; 03-23-2009 at 04:24 PM.
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Thank you gentleman!
I've had these for a year or so and never ID'd them. I was just cleaning out the bottom of my gun cabinet last night and ran across them again
If anyone has one of these rifles or just wants these clips, just respond. They were given to me and I don't need them for anything but they're interesting.
~ Harlan
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