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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    1. UKicon has the highest violent crime rate in Europe if I'm not mistaken,ed.

    2. in the USAicon, every state in the Union which has enacted concealed carry legislation has seen violent crime rates drop, often dramatically. And let's not forget the District of Columbia, a prime example!
    1. What constitutes "violent crime varies so much between each state, the numbers are not really comparable.

    2. I was working in Boca Raton in 1997 when Florida's gun laws were declared unconstitutional and struck down, So I remember well the first set of statistics that did indeed support your point and lead to the CCW laws in most States of the Union. However comparing violent crime in the UK with, for example, Florida is apples and oranges. While living there, I was personally too frightened to even visit Miami and was prettified that I would get lost driving to and from the airport. (Two days after I arrived one time a tourist did just that and was murdered for his rental car and watch.)

    This fear, or perhaps paranoia, was not helped by the local evening news on TV which served a daily diet of shootings and violence.

    So, did violent crime drop in Florida when everyone suddenly was able to legally carry a concealed weapon? Yes it did but from a level that most people on in the UK would find hard to comprehend.

    BTW, as to politeness, I agree. Road range is almost unknown compared to the UK but at what price?

    As I said earlier the genie is out of the bottle and they notoriously do not like returning. There are no easy answers to the violence that is part so many ordinary people's lives in the USA but currently any rational debate gets stifled.
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