Proper hold on Hi Power?

[Peter Laidler]

Yep, that's one of the ways we did it (Paul, thread 29) and a/my subtle variation wasn't objected to. Never heard it called the cup and saucer method but an apt description. But what a good, tough, hard working and reliable pistol. No wonder they've lasted so long. Browning were sooooooo difficult to deal and contract with though

[browningautorifle]

The pistol has had such a glorious career, it pains me to have my soldiers come back from this last conflagration uttering epithets about our old workhorses. Problem is, we ran out of mags years ago and had to purchase civilian mags. Parts aren't so much of a problem but the frames and slides have seen better days in many cases. The greatest problem would be inability of the average mudroller to engage a Taliban successfully. There is one first hand account brought to me of a man neutralizing a target in an upper window from his commander's hatch. Head shot in one. We're presently searching like the lost for a replacement sidearm, with little light at the end of the tunnel. I say it's simpler than that. Purchase new Mk 3 Hi-Powers at source and then all spares and equipment and pams remain the same. As it is, when I tell someone I have a Hi-Power, they scoff...when I say it's .40 cal they have no idea what I mean. When I tell them it shoots great they change the subject...

[Peter Laidler]

Here Here BAR......... I could go on at length about Browning and their idea of what commerciality and business AND repeat business is all about. Think Red Robbo actually running Leyland cars in the 70's. But it doesn't alter the fact that they are great service pistols.

[Paul S.]

......... I could go on at length about Browning and their idea of what commerciality and business AND repeat business is all about. Think Red Robbo actually running Leyland cars in the 70's. But it doesn't alter the fact that they are great service pistols.

Sadly true that - and FN Herstal, the 'parent' corporation, hasn't much of a clue either.

[Gil Boyd]

It saddens me to see such an efficient and remorseless unforgiving piece take such a hammering...............reminds me a little of what happened to Concorde.
One crash and out of service it goes
Trouble is partly, decision makers have too much foreign choice, Sig,Glock etc etc

[Peter Laidler]

But with Browning, they seem to be authors of their own stupidity......... Everyone seemed to agree too! All these other piostols are VERY good, but what the services want is a good SERVICE pistol which is what the Browning is (mind you, so is the SIG, but we KNOW the L9!)

[browningautorifle]

Make no mistake, we have Sig in service. The thing is, I'll bet we could get a steamin' deal on a truckload of Hi-Powers and then we don't have top change anything. Buy parts, mags, spares...and then we're good. It's a good steel frame pistol that has given decades of service. Not figuratively, I personally have pointed out pistol to the Small Arms Instructor's course that were CH number guns with the slot filled. There's a gun that's been in service for...what...70 years? WW2? Late slide of course. We don't linish, we grind...nice, professional looking...

[Paul S.]

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Here is the first series of Training Pam scans to Jpegs. These are from the Australian Army 1966 and 1983 pams. The Pom... er... British Army ones will follow (after the 'honey-do' and another project is done).

Of note, the Fairbairn style of instinctive point shooting, very evident in the 1966 pam carried well into the 1980s as shown in the 'instinctive shooting' standing picture. With that, there was an emphasis on one hand shooting (for CQB) while two hand hold shooting was limited to deiiberate, aimed fire at more than 10 metres.

The two hand, 'cup and saucer' hold - or a variation of it, is illustrated in the 5th picture. I believe that is the hold Peter mentioned using.

[Comrade Mike]

I use the same grip as you but my slide stop never rides up. I shoot the hi power almost exclusively. Maybe just a slight grip adjustment. It doesn't need to be as drastic as you're demonstrating.


I actually had a bigger problem with my safety engaging itself and promptly changed that.

[Paul S.]

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Here are a few photos from a RAF shoot. The first photo shows a thumb over wrist hold that actually works since the thumb is far enough behind and below the slide. I'll add that this grip was one taught ala Fairbairn's 'Shooting To Live'. The photo with the Scots officer shows two different hand placements that have the thumbs in different positions. The second photo (thumbs crossed) shows what is obviously a modified revolver grip.

I'll upload and post the old British Army Training Pam photos tonight now that the wife's projects and my work project are done.