De Lsile Commando Carbine MKII Copy

[browningautorifle]

Dundurn would also make sense as the huge ammo depot is there (still) and they'd have a test facility...

[Baal]

The De Lisle copy that I have manufactured is an exact copy of the original. It takes me about 2 1/2 weeks to build each rifle. In the end you get what you pay for. The Valkyrie arms version is not a very good copy..

No disrespect intended, but yours isn't an exact copy since it has a full length barrel and fake can. Whatever else you're doing to make it more exact than the Valkyrie version doesn't justify the additional $2400 that you want for your version. IMO of course.

A non-supressed Valkyrie copy can be had for $2200US. Your non-supressed copy is $4800Cdn. Since neither is authentic, not being suppressed, Valkyrie's copy make far more sense.

[boltaction]

Baal, have you tried to get a non-suppressed Valkyrie into Canada?

Ed

[tiriaq]

Just thinking about the Delisle design.
The casing and all suppressing components are retained by two tensioned rods. From the breech collar forward, everything is basically cantilevered outwards. The sling swivel is positioned toward the end of the casing. I suspect that the carbine would not tolerate rough handling, without the casing being deflected. This could result in bullets striking the baffles.

[Baal]

Baal, have you tried to get a non-suppressed Valkyrie into Canada?

Ed

No I haven't. I have imported a number of firearms from the US though and am familiar with the process. A non-suppressed Valkyrie is simply a No1 MkIII that's been rebarreled. Still non-restricted.

[enfield 111]

Baal if you bring one in from the US I would love to see pictures of it and get feed back on how it shoots.

The dealers I work with in the US did not seem to think that it was very well made and had issues both with the non suppressed and suppressed guns. The corners they cut and the fact that they did not copy the original gun in every detail is probably the reason it is less expensive. I believe that if you are going to do it do it right and make something you can be proud of. That is what I have done.

I know that you feel that my version is not an exact copy because it is not suppressed. It is however an exact copy in every other way. If you placed it side by side with the suppressed original I copied it from you could not tell the difference from one gun to the other. That was what I was aiming for in making this rifle in the first place. If it were legal for Canadians to own suppressors I would be making a suppressed version for sale

Unfortunately it is not so my rifle is the best I can do to have an exact copy. If you have the licences to bring in an "authentic suppressed gun" from the US I would love to see pics and have your feed back on how it shoots and how quiet it is as well.

thanks

[enfield 111]

Just thinking about the Delisle design.
The casing and all suppressing components are retained by two tensioned rods. From the breech collar forward, everything is basically cantilevered outwards. The sling swivel is positioned toward the end of the casing. I suspect that the carbine would not tolerate rough handling, without the casing being deflected. This could result in bullets striking the baffles.

Hi Tiriaq

I think you are right. The way that the baffle stack is aligned with the two rods is one drawback to the design. The L34A1 also uses rods to align its baffle stack but it is much more robust because the stack is one unit not individual baffles that have spacers and have to be tightened to retain their alignment. The stack in the De Lisle would "twist" if the end caps on the can were not aligned by two pins that lock the tube in place. This aligns the rear end cap with the front end cap and holds the alignment of the baffles with respect to the bullet flight path. If you were to "flex" the tube you may be able to pull the end of the can down and out of alignment enough to have issues with baffle strikes.

Thanks

[boltaction]

No I haven't. I have imported a number of firearms from the US though and am familiar with the process. A non-suppressed Valkyrie is simply a No1 MkIII that's been rebarreled. Still non-restricted.

I've imported a number of firearms in as well and am also familiar with the process. I'm just curious as to whether there would be issues getting one in or not. while it is legal to own a fake silencer in Canada, that might be different than trying to import something in which actually has one on it, especially if one ran into an over-zealous yet under-informed border inspector. Have these been imported into Canada before--do a fair number of them already exist in Canada?

Ed

[Brian Dick]

I have a good friend who is a VERY advanced collector of British and Commonwealth military firearms as well as many Title II weapons, (F/A and suppressed). He bought a Valkyrie suppressed Delisle copy several years ago and it had so many problems that they're too numerous to list. He had to have it completely rebuilt from the buttplate forward. The suppressor wasn't even aligned properly, was shaving the projectiles and had to be completely rebuilt. I know after hearing his horror story that I would NEVER endeavor into purchasing one. I've learned the hard way too with other projects over the years that sometimes it's better to pay more money for quality from the start because if you buy lesser quality, guess what?. Yep, you guessed it, you'll wind up paying for the repairs or in my friends case, a complete rebuild. He never did tell men what the rebuild cost but I'm sure it wasn't cheap. It looks good and functions now but at what cost?

[Vincent]

What did she use if not the L34?

Maybe this?

Attachment 59853

Looks like a C1 SMG with a suppressor attached.