S&B on the L42A1

[Peter Laidler]

Ok...., OK......, I surrender........... I haven't shot one with a S&B but they LOOK and SCALE UP to be too close to give the correct ocular eye relief that equates equally to the No4T and L42 AND L13 telescope. But I have been whacked with an L42 and it hurt and it bled too AND my pride was hurt.

What I suggest you do is this. Demonstrate the Hawkins position to a group of snipers, Lay right back on and virtually across the bank with very little cover, put the butt in the crook of your arm, grip the front sling loop to give you your elevation, face on the cheekrest, grip tight and pull back on the rifle and shoot - and NOW see if it clears.

Added on Saturday morning: Spoke to Retd Capt Steve Xxxxxxx who was the SASC officer of the training wing at Lympstone where the RM snipers were trained and later a colleague at Warminster where he was also on the ITDU. Nope.... NEVER saw that bracket with the RM or the RM special people. (Coincidentally, he also did the RM sniper course at Lympstone as a Capt just for the experience and to take up a space. And passed!)

The Inf Trg booklet, fig 21 shows the perfect comfortable eye relief using a No4 with No32 but I suppose eye relief, floating image and comfort is in the mind of the beholder - or the shooter. Incidentally, the shooter in the book who is photographed is Dave Cuthbertson. Now well retired and living near Swindon!

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[Simon]

I had a picture of an RM with a Leatherwood ART in a similar mount on an Envoy, obviously a trials setup, can't seem to find the bloody pic though now.

[DanL96a1]

I had a picture of an RM with a Leatherwood ART in a similar mount on an Envoy, obviously a trials setup, can't seem to find the bloody pic though now.

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[Simon]

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That's the one

[Roger Payne]

I had what was supposed to be one of the ART II scopes on its original L42 bracket years ago, but being a bit on the 'modern' side I sold it to another UK dealer. He's now thinning out his collection so has probably sold it on, or if not, will be doing so in the near future.

[Peter Laidler]

Don't bother with that set-up picture Simon. It was a commercially made up rifle and the Marine was simply holding it! Was that the ART and bracket I took back to ITDU who confirmed its trials status DRP? Far too complicated for what a sniper really needs I seem to recall.

[Roger Payne]

I suspect it was Peter, though it's a long time ago now. As you say, rather too complicated......

[Peter Laidler]

It was the complicated grat pattern that put the boot into what was expected by all to be the L13 S&B replacement.

[bigduke6]

Is the Marine holding an Envoy or is it a No8 ?

[Peter Laidler]

Whatever it is, it ain't an L42 in either picture! But the trigger in pic 2 certainly looks like it's on a No8. Or is it a hybrid something or other fitted with a No8 trigger mech?!