I have never shot the first one. It had a clipped firing pin that it took me a year to locate and replace. I am tempted to put the old one in a lead sled and fire it but even that isn't a good indicator. They were "safe", it is just a matter of safe for how many shots. I may make some reduced loads for them at some point but as I'm not a heavy shooter, it's not real high on my priority list. This second one has been fired, it has some fouling in the bore. No rust but fouling.