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    Another crept in

    Went to a Mil fair and this jumped into my hands and refused to leave the 303 round is for scale base has 2Pr NOT MK II by the projies shape it appears to be a G-1 profile. What type of field piece fired this round and what era as there are no other marks on the base. Postscript ~found another mark on the base 87 the rest is obliterated as someone when screwing out the primer did not have the correct tools so all the rest was obliterated which is a bl**dy shame for such a nice round.

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    Ballistic Coefficients are measures of objects’ abilities to overcome air resistance mid-flight. Typically, the higher the number, the lower the drag of the projectile (low negative acceleration), and the better the bullet will cut through the air.
    For the more technically minded, ballistic coefficients are derived from the mass of the object divided by its diameter in the airflow squared, divided by the form factor, i, that relates to the aerodynamics of its shape.
    The formula is seen below:
    An issue with accurately measuring flight characteristics of a bullet is that any mathematical model must differentiate between the many types of bullets and shapes; bullets of different shapes yield different drag curves, and cannot be modeled by a single formula. Because of this, several different drag curve models have been standardized for common projectile types, and are shown below:

    G1 – also known as Ingalls, G1 projectiles are flatbase bullets with 2 caliber nose ogive and are the most common type of bullet.

    G2 – bullets in the G2 range are Aberdeen J projectiles

    G5 – G5 bullets are short 7.5 degree boat-tails, with 6.19 caliber long tangent ogive

    G6 – G6 are flatbase bullets with a 6 cailber secant ogive

    G7 – Bullets with the G7 BC are long 7.5 degree boat-tails, with 10 caliber tangent ogive, and are very popular with manufacturers for extremely low-drag bullets.

    G8 – G8s are flatbase with a 10 caliber secant ogive

    GL – GL projectiles are blunt lead nose

    In the reference projectiles for each standard coefficient, the aforementioned form factor i is equal to 1. If the actual bullet exhibits lower drag than the reference projectile shape, its form factor will be lower than 1, and as the actual projectile’s drag increases past the reference projectile, its form factor will increase above 1. Many bullet manufacturers today publish the G1 and G7 BCs for their bullets, as they are the most commonly used ones
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    Churchill and Matilda and Valentine tanks at least started out with 2pdr. I had my hands on an AP proj like that recently and he had it stuffed into a destroyed 40mm case...wanted $50 CDN for it. I had a hard time with that so I don't have one. Had a casing for years with nothing in it...I think there's a longer casing as well. There's cases with fuse noses too, they're more common here at least. Here's more...

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    I think you have a hybrid of a 2pdr No.2 armour-piercing projectile and a 2pdr 'pom-pom' AA gun cartridge case. You can see a picture of both types here:

    http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/attachments/AAAA2pdr.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by peregrinvs View Post
    you have a hybrid
    I tend to agree, it does look like an AP in the short case. I'd expect to see the fused projectile.
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    Mine looks like the one lying down left to right in the first tag - cheers

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    No, the first and second one standing up. Yours is AP, solid. The one lying down has the fuse, if it was there. You just have the short casing, this is what we're on about.
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    Unfortunately the long AT gun cases are scarcer than the short AA gun cases. Having said that, I have an AT gun case that's looking for a nice AP projectile.
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    I know of an AP projectile here stuck in a badly damaged 40mm case. He wants $50CDN for it but I can't justify it...and he's a crook so I have a hard time dealing with him...I have the short case and need a fused round.
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    I was just going on the shape of the driving band as it looks exactly like the one on mine it is a crying shame whoever removed the primer made such a hash of the base scrubbing all but the biggest markings. Thanks for the input BAR (Jim) it is appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    whoever removed the primer made such a hash of the base
    That's too bad. They aren't that hard to get out. Even if it's been 70 years...heat them up and let them cool. Then they wrench right out.
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